Frame 1 Objectives Sent for OVER THE REICH

[Bino]

Alt caps are bombers on a platter.   

IMHO, so long as the in-game bomber accuracy is the same at four thousand feet and FORTY thousand feet, bomber alt caps are a valid balancing adjustment.

 

[waystin2]

IMHO, so long as the in-game bomber accuracy is the same at four thousand feet and FORTY thousand feet, bomber alt caps are a valid balancing adjustment.

 

Hello Bino,

You and I will differ on this issue.  In my opinion the accuracy of bombers has no correlation to knowing the altitude that your attackers are going to come in at.  Cap all the planes, or cap none.  With that said, I think this applies more to a setup like the current event where one side only has to defend.  When both sides are attacking there is some semblance of balance in the risk incurred by an artificial ceiling.  See you up there my friend!

Way

[LilMak]

I think the alt cap @ 23 for bombers is fair. Increasing the fight could be accomplished by opening up a few more Axis fields for landing or establishing a no fly zone for the Axis.

[Valkyrie]

I think the 23k foot alt cap is ridiculous. Read "Bomber Pilot" or Bob Morgan's book and you will see the B-24's that flew lower than the forts got chewed up all the time at that alt. More realistic for B-17's would be 26k or so. Load up the planes the way they were and see what the caps look like. That 3k foot is huge for performance at that alt.

[Valkyrie]

Also look at the Ruhr Event and Longbow events from a few years back as well as real life. Fighters didn't cover bombers for and entire trip but only covered certain segments of the route for a window of 10 min or so. Reference Ramrod to Emden.

[LilMak]

I think the 23k foot alt cap is ridiculous. Read "Bomber Pilot" or Bob Morgan's book and you will see the B-24's that flew lower than the forts got chewed up all the time at that alt. More realistic for B-17's would be 26k or so. Load up the planes the way they were and see what the caps look like. That 3k foot is huge for performance at that alt.

I'd buy off on higher altitudes if we flew bombers at realistic speeds. As it stands now you can firewall the things and not lose your drones. Not realistic.

[Dantoo]

Without discussing planning too much, take a look at the frame 1 orders and route map again.  We were assigned Bremen on the southern route.

Heh.. Just read them again and it isn't hard getting lost describing them here.

You were assigned Bremen, but on what we have been calling the "northern route".  The green lines are for the sweep only.  There wasn't supposed to be any bombers on them.  You had the "short" leg.   The guys going to Hanover had the long flight! You did get the shortest route handed to any P47s.

Having said that, the plan called for us to take the long way round and then go to Bremen first and then on to Hanover.  We couldn't achieve that because a couple of other groups mixed up their orders and started out as close escort for bombers that spawned in the wrong place anyway. 

We could have made it to both on fuel, but time and task did us in.  We ended up back on ground about 10 mins before the end.  Guys were a bit surprised that I only loaded 75% fuel but it was plenty for our task.   

[waystin2]

Heh.. Just read them again and it isn't hard getting lost describing them here.

You were assigned Bremen, but on what we have been calling the "northern route".  The green lines are for the sweep only.  There wasn't supposed to be any bombers on them.  You had the "short" leg.   The guys going to Hanover had the long flight! You did get the shortest route handed to any P47s.

Having said that, the plan called for us to take the long way round and then go to Bremen first and then on to Hanover.  We couldn't achieve that because a couple of other groups mixed up their orders and started out as close escort for bombers that spawned in the wrong place anyway. 

We could have made it to both on fuel, but time and task did us in.  We ended up back on ground about 10 mins before the end.  Guys were a bit surprised that I only loaded 75% fuel but it was plenty for our task.   

  Unsure what to say on this.  Regardless of the confusing orders.  Still not sure I see the assignment the way you do, but it should be crystal clear.  Can we agree on that?  We used max cruise before the NE jog at which point the bombers cam under repeated attack.  We either leave them, fight at max cruise settings, or throttle up try to kill all the red guys we can.  We opted for the latter.

After re-hashing this with several folks I will say that if I see a similar assignment I will question it and/or request a change in orders.  It will not happen again in this event.  See you up there!

Way

[Bino]

Hello Bino,

You and I will differ on this issue.  In my opinion the accuracy of bombers has no correlation to knowing the altitude that your attackers are going to come in at.  Cap all the planes, or cap none.  With that said, I think this applies more to a setup like the current event where one side only has to defend.  When both sides are attacking there is some semblance of balance in the risk incurred by an artificial ceiling.  See you up there my friend!

Way

Understood, Waystin.   

I look at my suggestion of more realistic bomber accuracy this way: If bombers attack from way, way up high they should only be able to achieve historically "accurate" bombing and in return enjoy enhanced protection from interception. If bombers come in low to increase their bombing accuracy they would run a greater risk of being intercepted and/or pursued. In game terms, by attacking low they gamble their own plane points against BDA points - by attacking high they preserve more plane points but achieve fewer BDA points.

At any rate, I really do hope that you and your bunch enjoy the fights in this FSO.