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Skins without nose art
« on: January 31, 2017, 09:25:28 AM »
  I have a picture I want to use a nose art for my squad (all two of us).  But the nose are included in the plane skins gets in the way. Is there a way to remove the nose art built into the skin, so that the squad nose art shows up? 
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Re: Skins without nose art
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2017, 09:44:23 AM »
no. there is a spot reserved om the skin for a squad logo. submit it and once it is approved you'll see it where all other squad logos appear.

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Re: Skins without nose art
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2017, 10:51:44 AM »
I think he's talking about the actual skin of the plane having nose art as part of the graphic. Some of them are where the game overlays a squad's nose art file, and it doesn't look good.
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Re: Skins without nose art
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2017, 11:19:15 AM »
I think he's talking about the actual skin of the plane having nose art as part of the graphic. Some of them are where the game overlays a squad's nose art file, and it doesn't look good.

Yes, this is what I mean.  I like the 49FG/9FS paint scheme for the P-38L.  But the nose art of the skin covers the squad nose art.  I was wondering if there is an easy way to remove the built-in nose art. 

On the same subject, how would I go about editing the existing skin, or making a new one?
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Re: Skins without nose art
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2017, 03:46:41 PM »
All skins are historical skins. They can't be modified for online use unless it's to another historically accurate skin which then needs to be submitted, approved, and added to the collection.

You may want to consider squad nose art that works with your preferred skin.

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Re: Skins without nose art
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2017, 10:31:46 PM »
Any artwork that is on a skin is part of the single skin bitmap. It is not at all separate from the rest of the skin. AH squad emblems go over the skin, are fixed to specific places on each aircraft.
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Re: Skins without nose art
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2017, 10:23:38 AM »
All skins are historical skins. They can't be modified for online use unless it's to another historically accurate skin which then needs to be submitted, approved, and added to the collection.

This is not true; none of the German skins are historically accurate. They are an approximation of what HTC feels is appropriate.
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Re: Skins without nose art
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2017, 10:51:16 AM »
This is not true; none of the German skins are historically accurate. They are an approximation of what HTC feels is appropriate.

there are accurate other than the swastika.  In some countries it is illegal to show the swastika and so the game would bebaned in those countries. 

I t has nothing to do with how HiTech "feels" they should be displayed,  but a business decision.

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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2017, 10:55:21 AM »
there are accurate other than the swastika.  In some countries it is illegal to show the swastika and so the game would bebaned in those countries. 

I t has nothing to do with how HiTech "feels" they should be displayed,  but a business decision.

I understand the business decision made by Hitech, but the skins on German aircraft are not historically accurate.
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Re: Skins without nose art
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2017, 10:59:41 AM »
I understand the business decision made by Hitech, but the skins on German aircraft are not historically accurate.
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Getting shot down and crashing, then taking off again in a new plane 10 seconds later is also not historically accurate.  It's a game...........concessions have been made for playability.............havin g artwork that would get the game banned in some countries would therefore make it unplayable for customers in those countries.
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Re: Skins without nose art
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2017, 11:03:02 AM »
ahhhh I see, so the correct statement would be "the german skin are historically accurate except for the lack of the swastika,  which due to being illegal in some countries was left off as a business decision/ concession".

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Re: Skins without nose art
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2017, 11:09:52 AM »
there are accurate other than the swastika.  In some countries it is illegal to show the swastika and so the game would bebaned in those countries. 
Lets see in the countries that actually ban the swastika, what they actually say:
Austria[edit]
Austria strictly prohibits the public display and/or proliferation of all insignia/symbols, emblems, uniforms (full or partial), flags, etc., clearly associated with the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP, commonly known as the Nazi Party). There are legal exceptions for works of Art (including books, films, Theatre Performances, computer games, and educational/memorial public exhibitions, etc.), these however do not apply if the respective work promotes National Socialism (as this is generally prohibited in Austria). The law has been amended to include commonly recognized replacements or slightly modified depictions of Nazi symbols. Violations of the Badges Act 1960 (Abzeichengesetz 1960), which prohibits the public display of Nazi symbols, are punishable by up to € 4000.- fine and up to 1 month imprisonment. However, if the violation is deemed an attempt to promote national socialism, the Prohibition Act 1947 (Verbotsgesetz 1947) is applied, which allows for up to 10 years imprisonment. Trading medals, uniforms, or other memorabilia however isn't illegal in Austria.
France[edit]
In France, it is illegal to display Nazi flags, uniforms and insignia in public, unless for the purpose of a historical film, show or spectacle.[18]
Germany[edit]
Main article: Strafgesetzbuch § 86a
Germany strictly prohibits public display of Nazi symbols, such as the swastika and the SS logo, unless it is for historical purposes.
Israel[edit]
The use of Nazi symbols is legal in Israel.

Of all the countries listed, all seem to have an exception for historical purposes.
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Re: Skins without nose art
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2017, 11:11:00 AM »
ahhhh I see, so the correct statement would be "the german skin are historically accurate except for the lack of the swastika,  which due to being illegal in some countries was left off as a business decision/ concession".
no, the correct statement would be the German skins are not historically accurate because of the lack of the swastika. 
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Re: Skins without nose art
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2017, 11:16:10 AM »
there are accurate other than the swastika.  In some countries it is illegal to show the swastika and so the game would bebaned in those countries. 

I t has nothing to do with how HiTech "feels" they should be displayed,  but a business decision.
I'm guessing HTC has no customers in Hungary

Hungary[edit]
Section 335 of the Act C of 2012 on the Criminal Code of Hungary regulates the "use of symbols of totalitarianism", including the swastika, the insignia of the SS, the arrow cross, the hammer and sickle, and the five-pointed red star.[21].

After a detailed reading of the law in Hungary, they make an exception for films and computer games.

 most restrictive laws were written in 1945, and updated 2010 2012ish, to exclude Computer Games.

So even HTC could allow the German skins to be accurate including the swastika if they chose to.
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Re: Skins without nose art
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2017, 12:11:59 PM »
I understand the business decision made by Hitech, but the skins on German aircraft are not historically accurate.
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Getting shot down and crashing, then taking off again in a new plane 10 seconds later is also not historically accurate.  It's a game...........concessions have been made for playability.............havin g artwork that would get the game banned in some countries would therefore make it unplayable for customers in those countries.

If you would please show me the coutry that would ban the game, as I've stated, all the countries that I've found that had a bad, now has an exception for movies and computer games.  So as far as I can tell, there are none that would ban the game because of a German marking on an aircraft skin.
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