"Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D

[Owlblink]

The washed out effect is aparent in several pictures, however it does not appear that way on Horse's Itch. Not even a hint of checkering where as the other photos with checkering do have the effect of being washed out.

There are casses where people, even present during the events, can have mistaken memory recall. It is easy for our minds to assume certain common atributes if we are around several planes with a specific nose patterns that all of the planes were the same. Casses like this have been proven by several acceptional psychologists in a court of law that memory recall is not as reliable as we like to believe.

[Vraciu]

Ok good enough, your skin your interpretation to defend. 

Cheers

Thanks for weighing in, sir.  I mean it sincerely.   

[Vraciu]

The aircraft in this picture are as follows:

413518 B6-D Ed Hiro HORSE"S ITCH

413681 B6-F Don Bochkay WINGED ACE OF CLUBS

413522 B6-G William O'Brien BILLY'S squeak

41372 B6-V Robert Foy RELUCTANT REBEL

Here is a different shot of 3 of the same aircraft with the same washed out noses, but you can see some of the color bands on the prop hub on B6-F and some checkering on B6-G:

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Here is 413522 B6-G William O'Brien BILLY'S squeak clearly showing a checkered nose.

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Here is 41372 B6-V Robert Foy RELUCTANT REBEL showing faint checkering and propeller bands that are almost washed out.

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Here are some picture of known checkered aircraft which are showing white due to being washed out.

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Finally, here is a picture of horses itch stating the type of film being used as Panchromatic film in bright sunlight.

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I hope this helps you see that the noses were not white. The 357th was a very proud unit and these colors were for identification as well as unit pride. It makes no sense for the CO to have a different color. You do not see that in the 8th air force's other groups either.

S!
Fyvsix

I respect that.  I also understand traditionalists.  They were no doubt proud of their white noses, too. 

Exceptions prove the rule.  Just look at my 4th FG skin of Maj. Hively' QP-J.   It is the only 4th FG P-51D painted olive drab--but it existed.   

I'm certainly no ideologue here, but the white nose rings true in this instance.  (And it looks damned good.)  If it is proven otherwise I will certainly revisit the issue.   

Look at the bright side.  Because this skin is unique...it means OLD CROW and GLAMOUROUS GLEN III will be allowed in without being seen as duplicative.  You'll have two or three skins for the 357th. 

[Vraciu]

Devil, Owl, Oboe, and Fork have good points.  Thank you for expressing them.

[Zoney]

^^^ The new, (and improved), Vraciu ^^^

 

[fyvsix]

I respect that.  I also understand traditionalists.  They were no doubt proud of their white noses, too. 

Exceptions prove the rule.  Just look at my 4th FG skin of Maj. Hively' QP-J.   It is the only 4th FG P-51D painted olive drab--but it existed.   

I'm certainly no ideologue here, but the white nose rings true in this instance.  (And it looks damned good.)  If it is proven otherwise I will certainly revisit the issue.   

Look at the bright side.  Because this skin is unique...it means OLD CROW and GLAMOUROUS GLEN will be allowed in without being seen as duplicative.  You'll have two or three skins for the 357th.

Thanks for hearing me out. I respect your choice as the one doing the work. I'll give it a whirl in game for sure. I'd love to see a few of the other 357th skins as well.

S!
Fyvsix

[Vraciu]

Thanks for hearing me out. I respect your choice as the one doing the work. I'll give it a whirl in game for sure. I'd love to see a few of the other 357th skins as well.

S!
Fyvsix

You're welcome.   Let there be no doubt...I take this stuff seriously.   If you think otherwise (I know you don't) feel free to read this thread: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,385567.0.html

I was emotionally devastated when this skin was originally rejected.    Maj. Hiro's story got to me on a deep and personal level unlike any I've read in a *LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG* time.    I actually cried about it, much to my personal dismay.   It was almost embarrassing.   Thanks to Devil, Oboe, Owl, Greebo, Fencer, Zoney, Arlo, etc. etc. I was able to take a step back and calm down.    Once I realized what the issue was I could rationally approach it again, and with the help of all these people (and others, like Skuzzy and Hitech who *ACTIVELY* worked on my skin with me--for which I will always be grateful), get it into the game.

In no way do I ever intend to represent the skin improperly.   Major Edwin Hiro deserves better than that on any level.   That said, part of why this ace is still remembered has to have something to do with that white nose.   That has a poignancy of its own.

I still have work to do on this one, but along with "Ding Hao!" it is my best work.    It will never live up to my peers/mentors/friends here, nor Maj. Hiro, but in some small way it shows my love for all of them.   And you, too.   Because I totally understand your perspective, passion, and input with deep and sincere appreciation.   

[lyric1]

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/448

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http://www.americanairmuseum.com/person/56102

[fyvsix]

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/449

Money Shot right there

[Devil 505]

Checkers it is.

Well done, Lyric.

[Vraciu]

I'd seen that one before.   

Did not see it labeled as H.I. (not sure what it was listed as).

Well, there we go I guess.  Unless the others are tweeners...

(That wing leading edge paint erosion is definitely a match for B6-D either way.)

[Owlblink]

Money Shot right there

Now I can see evidence on that photo of what one could argue is a checkered patern.

[Vraciu]

Now I can see evidence on that photo of what one could argue is a checkered patern.

So now some forensics.    I don't have this at hand but...  The date between Hiro's third victory and the photo in question....compared to the other photos we have of the airplane.   Where do they fall in the timeline?

I will dig it up eventually, but today has not been a good one.   I'm pretty wrung out.   

[Kit357]

357th Fan here, I just joined this game. I was flying your skin for my first two kills. I did some looking and here are the dates for Hiro's victory credits:

4-24-44 x1
5-19-44 x2
7-30-44 x1
9-19-44 x1

He was KIA 9-18-44 according to my source

Kit

[Vraciu]

Thanks man.  Congrats! 

The skin has been improved already.  We never catch all the mistakes the first time through. 

I show fourth and fifth victories on his final mission.  Did I miss something along the way?

Cheers.