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Offline Vraciu

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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2017, 11:38:31 AM »
Quote from: Karnak on March 16, 2017, 08:21:17 PM
That is what happened, but your characterization of the captain's response requires evidence not available.   It may be accurate to be sure, but it also misses the point I was making about the response time of the aircraft.  The crew had let the aircraft get ahead of them and by the time any of them showed any sign of being aware of that fact it was too late to save the aircraft.

I don't remeber who first told me this but it's something I emphasize.  "If you're not ahead of the jet you're behind."

It sums it up quite succinctly. 

Others may have said this, but not in these exact words to my knowledge: Human factors can only be mitigated, never eliminated. 
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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2017, 12:36:54 PM »
Quote from: Vraciu on March 20, 2017, 11:38:31 AM
I don't remeber who first told me this but it's something I emphasize.  "If you're not ahead of the jet you're behind."

It sums it up quite succinctly. 

Others may have said this, but not in these exact words to my knowledge: Human factors can only be mitigated, never eliminated.

Pretty much applies to anything you fly.  They can all kill you if you let them.
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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2017, 01:59:55 PM »
Quote from: colmbo on March 20, 2017, 12:36:54 PM
Pretty much applies to anything you fly.  They can all kill you if you let them.

True.   But when you are moving 8 miles a minute vs 1.5 miles a minute it makes a big impression.

Or in your case tens of thousands of pounds instead of 1500.
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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2017, 05:17:36 PM »
Quote from: Vraciu on March 15, 2017, 09:42:25 AM
Yeah, and the engines on a 737 probably spool slower than your T-45 does, too. 

In the Legacy we can get max thrust from idle in 7 seconds or less.   It spools super fast for a jet.  Even with that capability you can wind up behind if you don't anticipate.   

In your case I suspect you'll develop that sixth sense in time.   Just takes repetition and some calibration between your arms and the seat of your pants.  Most guys pull too much power for too long and then go OH CRIKEY.  It will come. 

I imagine the rooster tail gets your attention and takes some getting used to.   :salute


Which model of the 3 Legacy's?
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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2017, 10:46:41 PM »
Quote from: Busher on March 20, 2017, 05:17:36 PM

Which model of the 3 Legacy's?

600/650.
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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2017, 08:57:58 AM »
Quote from: Vraciu on March 20, 2017, 10:46:41 PM
600/650.

Thanks. Conventional flight controls - right? ( not the sidestick )

Oh and the 737 is not a slug in roll - no more so than any other similar transport jet. No learjet but a large input that activates a lot of spoiler will snap your neck.
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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2017, 09:17:09 AM »
Quote from: Busher on March 21, 2017, 08:57:58 AM
Thanks. Conventional flight controls - right? ( not the sidestick )

Oh and the 737 is not a slug in roll - no more so than any other similar transport jet. No learjet but a large input that activates a lot of spoiler will snap your neck.

Well, the people who think it's a slug probably flew Falcons or something like that.   Maybe it was the MD-80 I'm thinking of.   I thought for sure that guy was in spoiler deflection with those massive inputs.   :O

Conventional, yes.  I will be going to school for the (FBW, sidestick) 500 this summer if all goes according to plan.  Not counting my chicks yet, though.    :salute
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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2017, 09:52:00 AM »
Quote from: Vraciu on March 21, 2017, 09:17:09 AM
Well, the people who think it's a slug probably flew Falcons or something like that.   Maybe it was the MD-80 I'm thinking of.   I thought for sure that guy was in spoiler deflection with those massive inputs.   :O

Conventional, yes.  I will be going to school for the (FBW, sidestick) 500 this summer if all goes according to plan.  Not counting my chicks yet, though.    :salute

That's exactly why I thought to say that he was adding to his workload and likely making things worse... he would have been causing huge spoiler deflection. The airplane is extremely stable ... not all pilots are:)
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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2017, 11:11:00 AM »
Quote from: Busher on March 21, 2017, 09:52:00 AM
That's exactly why I thought to say that he was adding to his workload and likely making things worse... he would have been causing huge spoiler deflection. The airplane is extremely stable ... not all pilots are:)

Roll PIO.    :D

My old man had 25,000+ hours in the T-43/737.   He has passed on, but this is definitely a video I wish I could have shown him.   :)
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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2017, 08:55:18 PM »
Does anyone in here have time logged in the front office of a 737?
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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2017, 08:35:57 AM »
Quote from: Puma44 on March 27, 2017, 08:55:18 PM
Does anyone in here have time logged in the front office of a 737?

yes
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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2017, 02:31:11 PM »
Quote from: Busher on March 28, 2017, 08:35:57 AM
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You were "behind" or "Ahead" most of the time?  :rofl
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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2017, 03:14:04 PM »
Quote from: Busher on March 28, 2017, 08:35:57 AM
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Likewise.  Fun jet to fly, eh?
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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2017, 05:08:03 PM »
LOL the youtube account that was associated with that video has been terminated.
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Re: 737 almost beaches
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2017, 05:24:47 PM »
Quote from: Puma44 on March 28, 2017, 03:14:04 PM
Likewise.  Fun jet to fly, eh?

Was OK- Did not care for the low econ speeds. Preferred the 757/767 but would have liked to try the new 737MAX
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