Author Topic: Stealing kills... (Read 1457 times)

Blue Mako · « **on:** September 09, 2001, 11:30:00 PM »

Okay we've all done it, we've all had it happen to us... Spend ages working the bandit, all saddled up, about to open fire and... BOOM! Someone else zooms in, guns blazing and gets the kill. Even worse, you send the bandit spinning down with a nicely aimed burst to the tail or wing only to have a green come in and send a long burst into the plummeting hulk. You see red and curse the "friendly" and wish kill shooter was off...

This happened to me a couple of times the other night and I apologise for getting a bit upset on the country channel.

The question becomes: "What can we do about it?"

Does anyone have some ideas about what we can do to limit the number of times this happens? Short of educating the virtual pilots out there about the way this cheeses off the wronged party, I can't think of any way to handle it. Then again, I think there might be some who enjoy kill stealing too much to give it up...

Please offer your ideas but I don't want this thread to be a "xxxxx-stole my-kill-and-now-i-want-to-whine-about-it" kind of thread. Constructive ideas only please... yes, I know that will be hard for some of you.

Booky · « **Reply #1 on:** September 09, 2001, 11:45:00 PM »

There have been a lot of new pilots flying in AH and they aren't fully aware of the "Code of Conduct" that we have. They will learn and soon the stealing will drop off to almost nothing. I think before the price dropped and there were very few new pilots the steal was almost always because someone didn't realize that the enemy was missing a elevator or something to that effect. Anyway, I think that it will kind of "Fix itself" with time. I know its frustrating, but all I do is think to myself "at least that dweeb Bish (or Knight) is dead"

Urchin · « **Reply #2 on:** September 10, 2001, 01:04:00 AM »

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Okay we've all done it, we've all had it happen to us... Spend ages working the bandit, all saddled up, about to open fire and... BOOM! Someone else zooms in, guns blazing and gets the kill. Even worse, you send the bandit spinning down with a nicely aimed burst to the tail or wing only to have a green come in and send a long burst into the plummeting hulk. You see red and curse the "friendly" and wish kill shooter was off...

LOL, been there and done that

. Had a chog bounce me the other day when I was in an la7, I managed to reverse on him and was about 200 yards away on his dead 6 when he exploded. I was like "HUH?!" I actually though for a second that I had scared him to death or something... then I saw the friendly go tearing by. All I said was "Uhm.. thanks for the help, I guess".. he got the message.

There really isn't anything you can do about it but give it some time, that will fade as the new fliers get more experience in MA etiquitte, as was posted above.

Weave · « **Reply #3 on:** September 10, 2001, 05:26:00 AM »

Death by Killshooteris a drag. You're 350 behind a con and just as you squeeze off a burst someone flys between you and crack!

But until the con is out of action, I think he should be fair game for all. A bit of common sense should come into play here. Why blow alt when he's already got five on him.

But you gotta shake your head when you watch four friendlies chase a con to the deck who is without a doubt down (missing wings etc), pouring lead into them. Bad form that.

Dawvgrid · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2001, 08:08:00 AM »

Yesterday I tangled with a P51 when i ran outta fuel.After burning all my E,I went in for landing/ditching,,,,,,,,,he made several passess spraying all over,I evaded (hard to do without fuel,at low alt,with gear out, and he finally got me,,,,,,,,,,,,this is the same issue "lack of situationawareness" imo,
"You dont shot at a guy with his gear out"

Westy MOL · « **Reply #5 on:** September 10, 2001, 08:13:00 AM »

"The question becomes: "What can we do about it?"

1. Make them blow up. This way there's nothing for the cheap, groveling useless kill stealing snits to get.

2. Don't fly anywhere near Fester. If you have a bogy occupied he'll come in and wack em.

Westy

Creamo · « **Reply #6 on:** September 10, 2001, 08:13:00 AM »

Only 2 paragraphs Urchin, wtg!

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Remove the tards from Aces High.

FDisk · « **Reply #7 on:** September 10, 2001, 08:16:00 AM »

xxxxx stole my kill and now i want to whine about it!

DAMMIT! I tried....

Roo2104

Edited becuse im StuPid

[ 09-10-2001: Message edited by: FDisk ]

lazs1 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 10, 2001, 08:22:00 AM »

It's hard to tell sometimes if a person is in need of help and not a master like say... urchin. it's hard to tell sometimes if a plane is getting away wounded or just ded..

having said that... I am the victim of steals as much as anyone since i fly fifty cal equipped planes. a cannon potato can steal just about any kill i get if i don't make the kill a pilot or explosion kill.

I guess some allowance should be made for the person who get's in the first shots... maybe weigh the first shots into the con count more or make the determination of what is a kill a little less... after a certain limit is reached nothing else counts?
lazs

Pepe · « **Reply #9 on:** September 10, 2001, 08:28:00 AM »

I got over it.

I KNOW when it's MY kill, regardless what the server says. If anybody feels better stealing kills, so be it. I could care less

Cheers,

Pepe

Karnak · « **Reply #10 on:** September 10, 2001, 08:32:00 AM »

If I see a bad guy down there with a bunch of friendlies, I assume they can handle it at I keep my alt.

If I see a bad guy down there with a friendly on his tail I will circle above the fight in case the friendly loses the advantage. If he does I'll try to save him.

If an enemy aircraft is missing major required bits I will not shoot at it. I have been circling over a fight and been able to see when my guy blew the elevators off of the enemy aircraft so I don't buy the "It didn't look damaged on my FE." excuse after I blew its tail and a wing off and it is spiraling down in a ball of fire.

Some people just really, really want that kill.

sourkraut · « **Reply #11 on:** September 10, 2001, 11:15:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Dawvgrid:
"You dont shot at a guy with his gear out"

Huh? why? Does this mean we can't hit anyone
on landing? Didn't they do this in RL?

Rocket · « **Reply #12 on:** September 10, 2001, 11:20:00 AM »

Any plane still in the air is a target. Don't play with your food or I will finish it for you.
Sure I get pissed after working a con for 10 mins to have someone else put a couple of shots in and I get an assist BUT that is life. I scream and yell and go find the next kill.
I will always shoot at any plane that is still airborne. I won't join the 20 planes chasing one bandit for 10 mins group but I will swoop in and help a friendly finish one off before we both get jumped. The whole point is for the bad guy to go down so you can kill the next one. To win a reset it is a team effort. I don't really care overall who gets the credit as long as the guy is dead.

If ya don't like it then tough go fly somewhere else.

S!
Rocket

Beach · « **Reply #13 on:** September 10, 2001, 11:25:00 AM »

Your right, this has happened to everyone, Wether is be intintional or not. Now my self if had many steals stolen from me and it is frustrating, but at least im still alive and can go after someone eles. Many times I'v been killed just because no frienlys did help. Im my book thats way more frustrating.
BeachS
483rd Tactical Fighter/Bomber group

Hooligan · « **Reply #14 on:** September 10, 2001, 11:59:00 AM »

Lets pretend for a minute that it is really important that the bad guys die and that we don't know the ammo state, damage state, etc... of every friendly we see engaged in a fight. I prefer to err on the side of helping a friendly rather than letting him die and I prefer for others to help me also.

It would be nice if HTC modified kill awarding so that after "critical damage" (killing the engine for example) is inflicted on a target the kill award is pre-allocated at that time (even though the con may still be alive), so that the guy who crippled the target still gets the kill if some jerk with cannons (me for example) zooms in and finishes it.

Of course if any Blue Knight damages any target that drex is killing the other Blue Knight should get the kill. Stealing kills from drex is the greatest achievement that can be made within the ranks of the BKs and the code base should be modified to take this into account.

Hooligan