'What if' All-in-one - the ultimate WW2 AH experience

[nugetx]

Our game will not suddenly change next week, it will take Hitech a few years just like we went through getting AH3 live if he wanted to implement an AI ground war for short attention span younger players to shoot at and grind out rewards, ranks and self esteem.

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However, I would try to get it out as soon as possible and tie it with Steam 'Early Access' to have new players coming in.

There are plenty of games on Steam on 'early access' where the products are not finished but people are going in to play them because they enjoy being a part of idea of an evolving game.

So even if HTC would start working on this and it would not be finished, by having many players testing it AND paying for the game at the same time, HTC would have new players and player feedback on everything, and when the game is on 'early access' people understand the game is not finished so they are more leniant and forgiving towards everything.

It would be a win-win for everyone, and by having the game on Steam 'Early Access' HTC could also judge if the idea is worth pursuing by player reactions towards it.

Sometimes only the 'idea' of something can be even a more powerfull advertising than the actual game itself because it makes people imaginations run wild,  the idea is here of a 'ultimate WWII  multiplayer combat game'.



There is a game called 'Rust' which is in early access now for over 5 years. Which promises a 'sandbox fps' where players can build structures, and it sells very good, because developers constantly update it by adding features which complete the game and it has 40,000 players playing it.

So HTC could be making this, while players would be playing it, this way the game doesn't burn if HTC would spent 5 years making it, and then no one would want to play.

Adding features which complete the game while players are playing it, only makes the people feel the developers are working and updating the game, which is only a plus and keeps the peoples spirit high which translates into good reviews, and good reviews make more people come in.


The Steam Early Access + WWII could be a separate thread on its own.

[nugetx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzikYssTWDQ

This is it, this is it !!!  If this was the main arena and not a scenario, everything just works together, 2 sides, correct planes, the map, that feeling of taking part in a war, SO FUN!

Makes me so thrilled just to watch it.

[nugetx]

Guys guys are you excited as much as I am?  Everytime I imagine a WW II main arena with things like in this scenario i can't contain my excitement. 

[BowHTR]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzikYssTWDQ

This is it, this is it !!!  If this was the main arena and not a scenario, everything just works together, 2 sides, correct planes, the map, that feeling of taking part in a war, SO FUN!

Makes me so thrilled just to watch it.

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Leave the scenarios as they are; a special event. Leave the Melee Arena as it is; a sandbox.

[Drano]

Guys guys are you excited as much as I am?  Everytime I imagine a WW II main arena with things like in this scenario i can't contain my excitement. 

Bud I told you before. Scenarios and other events like FSO are a completely different animal. Totally different style of game play. There's order. There's command structure. There's assigned aircraft, grouping and missions. In events - - - that works. Because it's designed around working that way. Lots of players really enjoy it, but not everyone does. Do I like it? Absofreakinloutely! It's the best part of the game. But I've been doing it a very long time and because of that I have insight into just how much work goes into every event and every frame of every event. It's not at all like just throw these planes in the air and see what happens. It truely is a lot of work. You know not of which you speak. Your two week trial didn't give you that experience.

The melee arena is the polar opposite of events. There's no order---duh! It's a melee! And lots of players like it that way. Do I? Absofreakinloutely! Most of the time. Why? Because it's a lot less like work! I can fly what I want within limits, with who I want and I'm perfectly OK with that.

You've made your wishes known. We got it. Nothing that hasn't been thought of in past years. Again--we got it. By just harping away and rehashing this over and over, IMO, is bordering on downright disrespectful not only to the devs but to the community that you want to be part of (I think?). Not the best way to make friends and influence people. Respect, where I come from, is earned--not demanded.

You can't get involved from the outside. Want to get involved? Truely? Then subscribe and learn how the game work first. And don't start with the "I would if it was on steam" crapola. If you wanted to-- you would.

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[Ramesis]

Guys,

Nuget stopped playing the forum game for his ideas some time ago, now he is playing for keeping you answering him. He had his say and we got in trouble with Skuzzy for our responses, now it's just a game for him to have the last word and he has a high ground we gave him to play from. It costs him nothing to stay in the conversation while you guys agonize over one last attempt to prove him wrong at all costs. He is aware Hitech will not tell anyone his plans until just before he begins a new venture like any good game owner. Our game will not suddenly change next week, it will take Hitech a few years just like we went through getting AH3 live if he wanted to implement an AI ground war for short attention span younger players to shoot at and grind out rewards, ranks and self esteem.

No one knows what Hitech is going to do, and getting the last word in with this dead horse is making us look bad.

+1

[JimmyC]

Yay..FSO IS WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR..
We have it!! Yay
Get in the game and sign up and have some fun..
Who would have thought it..we have what you wanted all along..
It truly is a wonderful game with so many options covered.
I look forward to flying with you nuggets or fighting you in a scenario one day..you will love it..no go mow some lawns or whatever is needed to get your 15bucks together..friday is coming
 

[Bruv119]

what will really blow your mind is that we are going to have a 12 HOUR Battle of Britain event where you take off every hour on the hour and go wreck some nazi planes with your best buds. 

it's going to be awesome.   

[The Fugitive]

Again, not a shoot down.   Hitech was very gracious in his reply to nugetx and in no way shot him down.  His ideas were welcomed by the people at HTC right here on these boards, including the post you cited.

I didnt say screamed and yelled at him, but he did point out that trying to convince him of the merits of his ideas is futile. I personally would take that as "knock it off".

[bustr]

This is from Skuzzy in another post about Steam and gets to heart of "our" collective problem with prospective new players and Hitech's bottom line.
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From Skuzzy:

Is that a free game?  I can see where there would be less concern about community interaction with a free game.  Who cares if someone stops playing a free game?
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If we blow torch someone out of here for daring to post nonsense or challenging our orthodoxy, we are helping close the doors Hitech is trying to keep open. But hey, 2+2=4 and we "will have the last word" on who knows best it does not equal 5 as many times as that person keeps reaching for 5 in our self elevated opinions.

In our zealotry to maintain the purity of "our game" we have chased away people we have been crying about needing to keep the doors open. In the past we had numbers and "so what" was the general attitude to Skuzzy mentioning this attitude about us. Here we are today, and business as usual we is gonna close those doors if it kills us aint we......and if that dern impudent dork reaches for a number 7, warm up the BFG9000 and phazers set to turn things to fiery dust particles.


Who cares if someone stops playing a free game?

[BuckShot]

Nugetx, did you get the chance to try your 2 week online trial or are you saving it?

[nugetx]

I like bustr 

Nugetx, did you get the chance to try your 2 week online trial or are you saving it?

I did.





Ok this will be me beating the dead horse last one time on this aspect:

To the players who are religiously defending the current play -  it is time to move on with the times, nothing lasts forever and the Aces High you know from 10 years ago no longer exists because the player numbers are not here anymore, thus it is impossible to replicate the gameplay you know and love, because without the player numbers, it is not the same game.

It's time to move on with the times, there are only two options for Aces High,  either it will evolve to expand the gameplay to accomodate new players and go to steam ( as I see it, the Steam Early Access with making the WW II main arena is the best and safest bet) or if nothing will change, the player numbers will remain in the same low numbers and/or eventualy go lower.

The sooner you will help HTC make transition to the new gameplay and the new platform. The better for everyone, because HTC revenue will go sky high and the game will have more players, thus it will be good for the gameplay meaning it will be good for the players.


and everyone will live happily ever after !

It's the best part of the game.

And there you go,   have special events in a one big WWII sandbox arena so all the players are there without the need to switch arenas, those that would want to participate would just fly to the action, those that do not want, would do their own stuff.

[Vraciu]

I didnt say screamed and yelled at him, but he did point out that trying to convince him of the merits of his ideas is futile. I personally would take that as "knock it off".

I wouldn't. 

OTOH, the locked thread was a message/hint.

[Drano]

And there you go,   have special events in a one big WWII sandbox arena so all the players are there without the need to switch arenas, those that would want to participate would just fly to the action, those that do not want, would do their own stuff.

Clearly you didn't read my entire post but chose to cherry pick a single line. Not impressed. If you want to respond to my posts then do it if you think you can. Here's some more food for thought.

So how exactly do you propose to make your grand vision of a homogenized single arena work? Clearly you have not even an elementary understanding of events or setups. Who would run these events that I guess would be going on 24/7 in your world? You? Some other armchair field marshall that accumulated rank telling me where and what I'm gonna fly? How might these ordered events be integrated into a non-ordered arena? How would you separate the objectives from different groups of players with different goals on the same map at the same time? IMO you're proposing chaos.

Events are not as easy as you think they are and that's putting it mildly. Currently in the FSO forum there's an ongoing discussion about the planeset for an event that won't start for a couple of weeks! Discussions for scenarios go on for months leading up to the event! No really--they do! You have not a single clue.

Subscribe. Learn the game. This takes longer than two weeks, btw. Contribute to the community. Then talk.



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[hitech]

Pilot is what is in nugetx vision for ah.

Controller is how the arena would really work.



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