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Offline ghi

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Re: War
« Reply #60 on: June 21, 2017, 07:53:30 AM »
I have no idea  what the protocols are in this encounters, is this normal or getting "hot "?  :headscratch:

"Watch a NATO F-16 fighter being directed away from the Russian defense minister's plane in Baltic airspace by a Su-27 jet on Wednesday."

https://sputniknews.com/military/201706211054836276-su-27-f-16-baltic-airspace-shoigu-video/

https://www.rt.com/news/393327-russia-defence-ministry-plane-nato/



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« Reply #61 on: June 21, 2017, 02:01:54 PM »
War?

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« Reply #62 on: June 21, 2017, 02:52:18 PM »
The Russians are there because the US under the previous leadership decided to step out.

The Russians are there because they've always been there for the last 50 years or so. The Soviets/Russians have had a naval base in Syria since 1971. And this year the base will be expanded to support Russia's increasing naval presence in the Med.


https://news.usni.org/2017/01/20/russia-syria-agree-tartus-naval-base-expansion-refit-syrian-ships
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« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2017, 04:36:40 PM »
Reports of a S300 missile launched from Tartus, headed west out over the Mediterranean.
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« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2017, 04:43:22 PM »
Reports of a S300 missile launched from Tartus, headed west out over the Mediterranean.

Yep, but  the source still unconfirmed tweets;
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/21-june-russia-launched-s300-from-its-port-in-tartus--to

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« Reply #65 on: June 21, 2017, 04:46:12 PM »
Not much info out yet so we'll have to wait and see.
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« Reply #66 on: June 21, 2017, 04:54:17 PM »
Just about midnight people were tweeting that Clint Eastwood was dead at 87. More fake news.

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« Reply #67 on: June 21, 2017, 05:02:23 PM »
That is one of the best sites to follow the war in Syria..

But it seems like the Russian had some sort of air defence exercise in the area today and that its related to that. No sign of them targeting an Aircraft.
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« Reply #68 on: June 21, 2017, 05:11:08 PM »
The Russians are there because they've always been there for the last 50 years or so. The Soviets/Russians have had a naval base in Syria since 1971. And this year the base will be expanded to support Russia's increasing naval presence in the Med.


https://news.usni.org/2017/01/20/russia-syria-agree-tartus-naval-base-expansion-refit-syrian-ships
The russians would have supported assad  but not send troops or conduct air strikes if the US was operating there or had declared a no-fly zone.
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« Reply #69 on: June 21, 2017, 05:55:00 PM »
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/21/politics/us-syria-russia-dogfight/index.html?sr=twCNN062117us-syria-russia-dogfight1017PMVODtopPhoto&linkId=38955229

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Immediately after the Syrian Su-22 fighter jet dropped its bombs, two American F/A-18E Super Hornets, flying from the George H.W. Bush aircraft carrier, engaged, firing a AIM-9 Sidewinder -- a short-range air-to-air missile -- at the Syrian plane from about half a mile away, two US officials told CNN.

But the Syrian jet deployed defensive flares, causing the US missile to miss its target. The US pilot proceeded to fire off a second missile, an AIM 120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, which hit its intended target, downing the Syrian warplane and forcing its pilot to eject, the officials added.

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« Reply #70 on: June 21, 2017, 05:59:52 PM »
How about a game of chess?

  It seems the only way to win that game is to not play it!






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« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2017, 01:36:33 PM »
Some of the root to the Assyrian civil war, Assad's brutal use of force to hold onto power, and Russia's involvement. Assad is not a Muslim, he is an Alawites, and his father and then himself made the overture of courting Sunni influence to the Alawites in Syria so as to look like a legitimatized Muslim regime in the region. The map below is the result of the French Mandate for Syria, as you can see, the Alawites state is the same then as the Alawites region today. Being friends with Russia makes more sense not being a legitimate recognized sect of Islam.





Syria by Group or religious affiliation.





Recent map of who has control of what oil, and it looks a bit like a division of the country by religious and ethnic lines similar the old French Mandate. Turkey black market oil re-sellers have always bought boot legged oil from from Syria since before the civil war. Those re-sellers are still buying it from the Kurd's and ISIS, oil is oil. Once ISIS is gone who are Islamic, which all sides agree has to happen. The Kurd's will still have oil feilds to support their cause which Assad will want back. How do the resistance forces who are Sunni Islamic win against Assad and the Russians? Create an alliance with the Kurd's who are not all considered Islamic? Will the US switch to helping the resistance and Kurd's? This is super Bellyflop Krudtasticly stupid trying to apply a western view of conflict to peoples divided by religious and cultural sects in a country created by Europeans against their will for access to oil and possible mineral reserves almost a century ago.

So is this really a war between Assad, Sunni's, ISIS and the Kurd's over control of oil feilds? Without the oil exports and domestic energy production, not much else is in that region to support a population the size of Syria stuffed into cities next to one of the most arid deserts in the world that Palmyra and an oil field sits in.





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« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2017, 04:06:31 PM »
Yes it's quite a thing...


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« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2017, 07:15:43 PM »
If there was a chance of this getting hot, the stock market would have reacted.  There's been no reaction, no fear in the markets.
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« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2017, 08:35:08 PM »
Nobody on Wall St. expected WW1 to happen either - until well after it already started.

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