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Offline NatCigg

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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2017, 10:42:03 AM »
+1 to gv bar dar!  if "people" can report planes they should be able to report a mass of gvs five miles away?  i believe thats the theory behind the relenting and gamey bar dar.

Also, for anyone who play this game for more than a perverted version of a D.A.; coming across 10 gvs rolling in to take your sheep, will get the poop moving!  die try die try, your going to need some help!

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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2017, 10:44:35 AM »
Most bases would require you to drop multiple VHs simultaneously to prevent resupply. With limited numbers youre just taking more people out of the main fight by doing so. Not optimal for gameplay.

This comes back to better planning for the base take. If your trying to take a base, everyone's role is important, including the person going the the other base to drop the VH to prevent resupply.

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Offline NatCigg

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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2017, 10:49:49 AM »
and then a guy runs into the problem of, its not possible. nobody to play with.  the plan is bust so we dont go. boreing, do something else.  this was significant issue years ago in off peak times.  now "off peak" times are the norm,....

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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2017, 11:37:07 AM »
Anyone can find and kill GV's with the tools we currently have available.  Something to tell you that GV's are present when you know they are already there seems like a redundancy we do not need.  I kill lots of them. 
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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2017, 11:46:41 AM »
I think your making it bigger than what it is Junky. Either way, it doesn't bother me. If I don't want them to resupply the base, I simply drop the VH. If you can't take the base within the 15 mins that the VH is down, then the mission was not planned properly.
Thats the point you shouldn't have to set up a mission to take a field and flow combat in a combat game...stalemates on fronts make for repetitive game play which leads to boredom and leads to less players
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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2017, 01:37:35 PM »
Been saying it for years....M3 resupply is the most damaging aspect to game play in Aces High and has been for about 4 years....people who are all about the war use it to save bases without actually fighting for them and after a field is taken it's too easy to just reset it and end a fight there...the first 15-20 minutes after losing a field and trying to get it back used to be one the best parts of the game...that doesn't happen anymore.

Junky, with all due respect, you've been complaining about this for ever. If there is no way to counter act the damage inflicted, there is no game play! Why can't you understand that??? :O
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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2017, 02:36:11 PM »
Since Hitech has bases flash with two colors, if a GV spawns in, have the town dot flash red.
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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2017, 03:15:21 PM »
Doesnt it already flash when a gv approaches town? Or do you mean a seperate color for gv attack

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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2017, 09:00:18 PM »
Flashing a border color could work for base and town warning.  Bar Dar would be bottom left of sector square.

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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2017, 10:40:34 PM »
Was not it possible in the past/present version(s), to kill/destroy troop/supply barracks/buildings?  :uhoh

Strat down to 30%-0% could limit/eliminate troop/supply by more than an hour?  :eek:

Jus' askin...  :rolleyes:


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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2017, 02:38:22 AM »
If no dar and base or town flashing..probably gvs
Up and investigate.
Might be a noe..though...oh the mists of war.
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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2017, 08:22:08 AM »
I really meant for AH. Ground wars aren't prevelant in AH. And if they want them to be prevelant, there needs to be a separate dar so people can find action. Or something to show there is a tank battle going on.
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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2017, 08:23:14 AM »
That is a brilliant idea! Adding another darbar (not dotdar) for GVs would definitely promote more combat.

It would have to be tied to another structure besides radar, like an outpost (put a few tents into a small area) that can be destroyed to blind the defenders. If the outposts were placed near the tank spawns, they would still be able to mount an offensive without the need for air support. It would also give defenders a small window to see and counter attack before the attackers could overwhelm the base.

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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2017, 08:29:36 AM »
Yea flak icons needs to be visible at longer range. I can see a jeep icon far away and a jeep is smaller than a wirb or ost. I don't mind gvs but wirbs and ost needs a better visible icon range.

All gv's have the same icon range. doesn't make a difference what type of gv it is.  if a gv is sitting still with engine off, you can't see it until u are 600 over it and if it's wirb or M16 or osti your dead--- if they are moving it's either 1000 or 1200 I forget, in any case your dead.
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Re: the balance is out of whack
« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2017, 08:31:27 AM »
My take on the balance from the perspective of an old AH1'r, an out of hours player (Australia) and a relative newb (3 weeks back):

1. As said above trees suck, there are too many for GVs to hide in and they make spotting a GV without icon extremely difficult.  They as interfere with GV's firing on objects and guns in bases firing on vehicles. 

2. Some GV icons being visible at such short ranges makes it difficult to bomb, as a newb anyway.   I end up buzzing the vehicle constantly trying to get a lock on its position and then losing it whenever I grab alt to bomb him. 

3.  Depending which side you're on holding bases in lower population times is quite difficult and taking bases is very very hard or the opposite.   No real penalty for overloaded teams (ENY seems to do little the way its implemented) means the balance is so far out its often a case of sitting in tower looking for a random dar bar or trying to climb over a horde to snipe before dying horribly.

4. ENY is not working since a lot of a planes ENY values are questionable.   The P40s  only 5 ENY more than some of the P51, P47, Spits, Yaks, LA5, and Hogs which are a lot lot more effective.    The perked planes are still relatively expensive (262 at 50) when you have 7 people on vs a combined 40 in both other countries which are predictably attacking the weakest country.

My ideas for solutions would be:

* Reduce the number of tree's around bases and the general number of tree's in terrain.
* Redo ENY values of planes to represent their relative strengths based on usage.
* Attach ENY to hardness value of objects.   In a 30 vs 10 situation, which is everyday around my playtime instead of 2 tanks taking out the town you'll need 6 or 3 x the usual.   
* Increase GV icon range
* Stick a small villager dar around dwellings / huts in terrain.  If a GV enters that its added to darbar or GVbar.

 
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