Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?

[Ack-Ack]

So why only a handfull of planes cost points to fly them?

Because only a handful of planes left unperked would unbalance the game play.

From the HTC website.

The perk system is a way for HTC to introduce some interesting but otherwise unbalancing planes on a limited basis but the benefits go deeper than that. Perk planes (and vehicles) would be things like Me 262s, Ta 152s, Tempests, B-29s, Ar 234s, Tiger IIs, etc. These are interesting rides but would be very unbalancing if they were available on an unlimited basis. So there won't be unlimited availability but they'll be available as bonuses or perks.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/features/perk-points

[TWCAxew]

you totally ignored me nugget....

the ma is just a small part of AH...

again come join us in the special events.

[Vinkman]

They do that.

When you buy a burger meal they always ask you do you want an XL or XXL sized everything? and you pay more for it.

Currently AH gives you XXL everything, I know most of guys here are Americans and Americans love their XXL everything (no offense guys!), but XXL everything is not good for long term health 

That is why player base is shrinking, the effect of XXL everything is taking its toll.


Sometimes having less is more, having people play from 'the start' gives a sense of progression, it makes new players learn the game from the ropes in planes which are dogfighters and dogfighting is what new players always do.

A new player in a p51 or p47 will do even worse than in a spit 1 or a6m2 because he will be doing hard and tight turns in them, if a new player has a choice of picking a p51 or a spit 1, he will always be going for p51 because in his mind it is 'the better' plane or the 'iconic' plane.


Having all planes available at all times for everyone is actualy hurting the game, and i'm not talking about it from a perspective of a few players who are currently playing and defending it.
I'm talking from a perspective of hundreds of players who are not playing.

I'd tried to help but you just don't get it. 

[bozon]

So why only a handfull of planes cost points to fly them?

Just a correction for the record since this is a common misconception. Flying planes does not cost you any perks - it costs perks to die in one.
You do however must own enough perks to deposit them before takeoff as a down payment in case you die.

Also, another clarification - when talking about perked late war fighters (that are not currently perked) or perked ordnance, or perked bomber drones, we are talking about single digit perk tags, and more in the scale of 1-3 perks. This does not really prevent anyone from rolling a 2 perk points fighter for several sorties, but occasionally, a sortie in a higher ENY plane will be needed in order to accumulate a few points.

JABO also gives perk points btw. It will probably be wise to give some second rank attack planes a high OBJ value (besides ENY) to make them attractive perk farmers in the attack role.

[Zygote404]

They do that.

When you buy a burger meal they always ask you do you want an XL or XXL sized everything? and you pay more for it.

Currently AH gives you XXL everything, I know most of guys here are Americans and Americans love their XXL everything (no offense guys!), but XXL everything is not good for long term health 

That is why player base is shrinking, the effect of XXL everything is taking its toll.


Sometimes having less is more, having people play from 'the start' gives a sense of progression, it makes new players learn the game from the ropes in planes which are dogfighters and dogfighting is what new players always do.

A new player in a p51 or p47 will do even worse than in a spit 1 or a6m2 because he will be doing hard and tight turns in them, if a new player has a choice of picking a p51 or a spit 1, he will always be going for p51 because in his mind it is 'the better' plane or the 'iconic' plane.


Having all planes available at all times for everyone is actualy hurting the game, and i'm not talking about it from a perspective of a few players who are currently playing and defending it.
I'm talking from a perspective of hundreds of players who are not playing.

Good post.

And its not about restricting P51s or Spits Or Yaks, its about opening up the OTHER P51's, Spits and Yaks to be viable rides and opponents. 

And given everyone will be in the same position the net position is equal but with more variety.

Will vets be slaughtering newbs because they have a million perks? Vets can slaughter newbs irrespective of plane they're flying.

[nugetx]

you totally ignored me nugget....

the ma is just a small part of AH...

again come join us in the special events.

I did not, but it's not so easy to reply to everyone, especialy when i'm 'the target' even though other people are also advocating for those ideas lol !


The 'MA' is no longer the 'late war' arena because there is no early war and mid war arena, so it cannot be called late war arena also.  It can be called the 'main arena' because it's always where the biggest number of players play, and if a new player would come he would instantly go there, because there are always the biggest numbers, and what is in that arena would be an indicative for him of what is Aces High.

I know there are different arenas and different ways to play, but a new player comes for the massive multiplayer aspect of AH, and he sees the most people playing there so he goes there. So the ' main arena'  is what makes or brakes Aces High for the new player.

[Vinkman]

Good post.

And its not about restricting P51s or Spits Or Yaks, its about opening up the OTHER P51's, Spits and Yaks to be viable rides and opponents. 

And given everyone will be in the same position the net position is equal but with more variety.

Will vets be slaughtering newbs because they have a million perks? Vets can slaughter newbs irrespective of plane they're flying.

the differential match ups make fighting interesting. NOT everyone being in the same plane.  But by all means keep thinking you know what choices people should be making and pass rules that restrict their choices to fit your perception of how things work.  Hey wait...are you Nancy Pelosi?

[nugetx]

But by all means keep thinking you know what choices people should be making

We are not telling what choices to make, we draw conclusions from the choices people make.

And the conclusion is that people with 'the choice'  fly late war planes in majority.


P-51D         4396

Spitfire Mk XVI         4192

190D-9         3898

Ki-84-Ia         3090




109E-2         87

Spitfire Mk V         180
 
I-16         110

P-39Q         90

P-40E         19


Facts do not lie, numbers do not lie, if you argue about what I posted, you basicaly argue against the current reality of Aces High.

the differential match ups make fighting interesting. NOT everyone being in the same plane.

Yes and we want a lot of variety........ what you are saying is happening now, everyone being in the same 3-4 late war planes.



With perks for planes the numbers would shift.

We would see roughly

50%  early war
30%  mid war
20%  late war

Which would make everything much more interesting, compared to current 90% late war planes.

[The Fugitive]

We are not telling what choices to make, we draw conclusions from the choices people make.

And the conclusion is that people with 'the choice'  fly late war planes in majority.


P-51D         4396

Spitfire Mk XVI         4192

190D-9         3898

Ki-84-Ia         3090




109E-2         87

Spitfire Mk V         180
 
I-16         110

P-39Q         90

P-40E         19


Facts do not lie, numbers do not lie, if you argue about what I posted, you basicaly argue against the current reality of Aces High.


Yes and we want a lot of variety........ what you are saying is happening now, everyone being in the same 3-4 late war planes.



With perks for planes the numbers would shift.

We would see roughly

50%  early war
30%  mid war
20%  late war

Which would make everything much more interesting, compared to current 90% late war planes.

.....and that is called "forcing people into other planes".

If players WANT to fly other planes they CAN as it stands now. The numbers show that most don"t want to fly other planes.

[Vinkman]

We are not telling what choices to make...

Except you will by updating the perk system....

With perks for planes the numbers would shift.

which will force them to choose different planes....

Which would make everything much more interesting, compared to current 90% late war planes.

Which will be better, because you think so. 


You can keep trying to use different words, but you keep saying the same thing. You think forcing people out the planes they want to fly and into planes they are currently choosing not to fly is better.   

Your facts show that 4377 more people want to fly P51s than P40s. But your system would move 2200 people into P40s against their wishes. And you're convinced that will be better for the game and make everyone happy.   You are Nancy Pelosi aren't you?

[nugetx]

Your facts show that 4377 more people want to fly P51s than P40s. But your system would move 2200 people into P40s against their wishes. And you're convinced that will be better for the game and make everyone happy.   You are Nancy Pelosi aren't you?

4377 in p51

vs

3000 Spit 1     

1000  spit 9 

377  p51



I know I would enjoy the game more with the 2nd option.

[lunatic1]

When you buy a burger meal they always ask you do you want an XL or XXL sized everything? and you pay more for it.

Currently AH gives you XXL everything, I know most of guys here are Americans and Americans love their XXL everything (no offense guys!), but XXL everything is not good for long term health.
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we pay for XXL because we ask for XXL.. if I go to Dairy Queen I don't want a hunger buster, I want and will pay for the Belt Buster w/cheese. they are not trying to force me to buy the belt or hunger buster it's what I choose.


That is why player base is shrinking, the effect of XXL everything is taking its toll...

You need to make up your mind as to what is causing the player base to shrink..
in almost every past post you have made a claim of what is making player base shrink, each and everyone  different..

you know you yourself could right now be making the player base shrink if it truly was--people come in here and read these post, they might get the idea this game ain't worth playing because you keep putting down the game as it is.
                                 

but I think this thread got hijacked by Nugetx---they is talking about disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks.

[waystin2]

4377 in p51

vs

3000 Spit 1     

1000  spit 9 

377  p51



I know I would enjoy the game more with the 2nd option.

Too bad you already used your free two weeks huh?

[Vinkman]

4377 in p51

vs

3000 Spit 1     

1000  spit 9 

377  p51



I know I would enjoy the game more with the 2nd option.

If you were the guy in the P51. 

[nugetx]

I will quote Bustr here

What are we defending here or, keeping from happening? Hitech does jump on ideas he likes in the Wish List with a personal response as we have seen over the years. And then like the Steam announcement, he has blind sided the community over the years out of the blue. Are we fighting with nugetx to shoot down his ideas or, to keep Hitech from changing the game where we don't want it to go?