Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?

[nugetx]

It all comes down to that arguement by many of you guys. But not in this case.  some cases, yes, he wants to change the game in many ways, which I certainly don't want. But in this case, I think he is right about the overall idea of making more late war planes perked. I think some late war planes do unbalance the game play and make the game not as fun. For example, if you were in an arena with only jets, the fight would be a lot slower. There wouldn't be as many close quarter furballs and everything would be spread out in the sky. This is not as intense in most cases. With WW2 planes, the fights are close quarters and more actionable or intense. The WW1 arena is like a furball on steroids, which is exciting! So when you look at specific planes in the WW2 genre that were built closest to the end of the war, they will be very fast, and very agile, thus drawing out the fights and making them slower (ie, run away, dive away, fly at 25K, always go 360 or faster and scurry away at any lost advantage) this drives players nuts. They don't want to fly in these types of planes, but they have to escape the hoards of La7s, Yak3s and 190Ds who chase them down every time. It gets old. You see an arena filled with late war monster planes with people who are too affraid to get down and dirty, so they fly the fastest planes at the highest alt and pick all day.

With less of these planes, you will see more furballs, more people actually fighting, lower alt fights, faster furballs, and more balanced fights overall. If people like me always flew 190Ds and LA7s, it would unbalance the game. People like skyyr got 1/3 the kills of AH in the damn planes.. Maybe if the plane was perked, people wouldn't choose it as much, and therefore would make fights quicker by putting them in planes they can't simple run in.. and make the gameplay dull.

And if you have 12,000 perks, and fly a 190D or p51D, are you really going to B and complain and quit the game about having to spend 5 perks? Gimme a break.

Voice of reason is always like a breath of fresh air.

Post like this should be stickied and quoted on every occasion.

[waystin2]

Voice of reason is always like a breath of fresh air.

Post like this should be stickied and quoted on every occasion.

If you flew in the game you would know that the player you are glorifying is usually found in the same faster higher end planes... Sticky this. 

[DmonSlyr]

If you flew in the game you would know that the player you are glorifying is usually found in the same faster higher end planes... Sticky this. 

FALSE

Last tour, My most kills were in the P51B

I get a lot of kills in the P47D25 and 109G2, Tour 207 and 208 were all mostly G2 kills.

The F4Us certainly arent the fastest planes, although I do fly the 4hog and Chog and temp to fight the hoard, use the Chog to jabo from CV.

The 109G14 is still a 25 eny plane

I dont fly 190Ds or La7s, rarely the fly the P51D for chits

So, you better check yo self before you accuse me of flying "Faster high end planes all the time"

You don't want me to actually do that.

[waystin2]

FALSE

Last tour, My most kills were in the P51B

And that ain't speed?    Ok  You got me there.   

[Vinkman]

But when numbers are skewed in someone's favour, they can still up some of the best planes because the ENY values are out of whack.

Much rather fight 3 tiffies (10) than 3 KI or Yak3 (18).

ugh

[Vinkman]

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Yak3 vs Spit9....Both planes are free so why would you fly a Spit 9?   

Because the Yak3 does not easily beat a Spit9 in a 1v1.  Get a yak3 and I will meet you in the Match Play arena and I will show you.   

Most planes are not way better than other planes. They have advantages and dis-advantages that make huge differences in the results they get in the Melee arena, not to mention that all pilots do not, and can not take advantage of the differences in most of these planes. The SPit has twice the guns of the yak3. Try shooting down a formation of B-17s in a Yak3. 

In my experience the best pilots in the game do not fly the uber rides. Perking the uber rides will put the lesser pilots at an even greater disadvantage than today.

...But that's really what you guys are after isn't?  All this talk of fairness is a thinly veiled whine that sucky pilots are besting you in their uber rides so HiTech should changes the rules so you can "Pwn" these pretenders.  Come on admit it. 

[oboe]

The original question of this thread was about why there are lightly perked vehicles, but no lightly perked aircraft.  Why is that?  It seems to work for vehicles, so what's the rational behind it, and why isn't it used for aircraft?

Lusche took at stab at an answer here, but the thread mostly evolved into pros and cons of light perking some late-War fighters.

In my subjective opinion, the performance differences  between individual tanks (notably armor & penetration) have a somewhat bigger impact on the results then those between the planes.

And actually I think Vinkman just said the same thing from the opposite point of view, when he stated:

Most planes are not way better than other planes.

It might also be the case that perking aircraft came first; just a few aircraft were perked--but at medium and high costs.  When vehicles came along, HTC experimented successfully with light perking of some of the units.  But perhaps they felt it wouldn't be right to go back now and lightly perk some fighters...dunno.

I think someone else mentioned along the way that tanks are also more vulnerable (being hunted by both GVs and aircraft) so they wouldn't support as high a perk cost as aircraft?   Although, the Tiger II seems roughly in the same neighborhood of cost as the Me262...

[Mister Fork]

Because the Yak3 does not easily beat a Spit9 in a 1v1.  Get a yak3 and I will meet you in the Match Play arena and I will show you.   

Most planes are not way better than other planes. They have advantages and dis-advantages that make huge differences in the results they get in the Melee arena, not to mention that all pilots do not, and can not take advantage of the differences in most of these planes. The SPit has twice the guns of the yak3. Try shooting down a formation of B-17s in a Yak3. 

In my experience the best pilots in the game do not fly the uber rides. Perking the uber rides will put the lesser pilots at an even greater disadvantage than today.

...But that's really what you guys are after isn't?  All this talk of fairness is a thinly veiled whine that sucky pilots are besting you in their uber rides so HiTech should changes the rules so you can "Pwn" these pretenders.  Come on admit it. 

When someone comes at me in my ride in an early war aircraft (i.e. P-40, Buffalo, Spit I), two things happen:

1. They spin on their tail and fight like a trapped raccoon in a corner, or;
2. They go down in flames wondering what hit them. 

In the MA, I'm finding that most are seasoned veterans and because they're in a EW/MW aircraft, it doesn't mean they're easy bait. Usually, I find that I've been baited.

[Zygote404]

Because the Yak3 does not easily beat a Spit9 in a 1v1.  Get a yak3 and I will meet you in the Match Play arena and I will show you.   

Most planes are not way better than other planes. They have advantages and dis-advantages that make huge differences in the results they get in the Melee arena, not to mention that all pilots do not, and can not take advantage of the differences in most of these planes. The SPit has twice the guns of the yak3. Try shooting down a formation of B-17s in a Yak3. 

In my experience the best pilots in the game do not fly the uber rides. Perking the uber rides will put the lesser pilots at an even greater disadvantage than today.

...But that's really what you guys are after isn't?  All this talk of fairness is a thinly veiled whine that sucky pilots are besting you in their uber rides so HiTech should changes the rules so you can "Pwn" these pretenders.  Come on admit it. 

Guns don't mean anything if you can't put your guns on the target due to AoA or range.  The Yak3 can dictate rang on a Spit 9 for as long as it wants.  It can extend, climb and gain an E advantage all day long and the Spit will not touch it.   

As for your last paragraph no not really.  Been playing a month and I'm 30/30 kill / deaths in the TA 152 which is all I fly now and there are a couple of decent pilots in that count too.   Yesterday I fought 2 tiffies low level turn fighting TA which is mostly what I do in it unless I'm slashing through a furball.

Certainly not the best pilot however I think your point was to devalue what was said by using ad hominem which is a very poor way of arguing as its very transparent and shallow.

The argument as least from me was that having the very best of the planes perked would be beneficial and encourage people to try the other planes which are not too terrible, pretty sure there was nothing about being killed a lot and tissues, snot and stuff.     

[lunatic1]

Guns don't mean anything if you can't put your guns on the target due to AoA or range.  The Yak3 can dictate rang on a Spit 9 for as long as it wants.  It can extend, climb and gain an E advantage all day long and the Spit will not touch it.   

As for your last paragraph no not really.  Been playing a month and I'm 30/30 kill / deaths in the TA 152 which is all I fly now and there are a couple of decent pilots in that count too.   Yesterday I fought 2 tiffies low level turn fighting TA which is mostly what I do in it unless I'm slashing through a furball.

Certainly not the best pilot however I think your point was to devalue what was said by using ad hominem which is a very poor way of arguing as its very transparent and shallow.

The argument as least from me was that having the very best of the planes perked would be beneficial and encourage people to try the other planes which are not too terrible, pretty sure there was nothing about being killed a lot and tissues, snot and stuff.     

well hell I guess I didna kill 2 yak 3's with a spit 9 last tour-I wonder what it was nope yep it was a spit9 I used.

[lunatic1]

Free arenas and customs

but when you check this or his other post esp when HiTech tells him which to use he won't

[lunatic1]

The original question of this thread was about why there are lightly perked vehicles, but no lightly perked aircraft.  Why is that?  It seems to work for vehicles, so what's the rational behind it, and why isn't it used for aircraft?

Lusche took at stab at an answer here, but the thread mostly evolved into pros and cons of light perking some late-War fighters.

And actually I think Vinkman just said the same thing from the opposite point of view, when he stated:
It might also be the case that perking aircraft came first; just a few aircraft were perked--but at medium and high costs.  When vehicles came along, HTC experimented successfully with light perking of some of the units.  But perhaps they felt it wouldn't be right to go back now and lightly perk some fighters...dunno.

I think someone else mentioned along the way that tanks are also more vulnerable (being hunted by both GVs and aircraft) so they wouldn't support as high a perk cost as aircraft?   Although, the Tiger II seems roughly in the same neighborhood of cost as the Me262...

I took out a TigerII this morning to kill a Hanger camper, today JUL 18 it was 156 perks I don't think that was lightly perked.

[Zygote404]

well hell I guess I didna kill 2 yak 3's with a spit 9 last tour-I wonder what it was nope yep it was a spit9 I used.

Another straw man response - there was no statement that said a spit 9 can't kill a yak-3. 

I'm sure you could kill a yak-3 piloted by me in your spit 9.  I'm sure I could kill a yak3 sitting on rearming pad with a spit 9.  Today I had a turn fight with with a guy named OBX in a TA-152 and he augered his Ki84 into the ground, does that mean a TA-152 can outturn a KI84? No.  It can't.

The fact is this - all things being Equal, a Spit 9 will not kill a Yak3.     

[Ack-Ack]

Another straw man response - there was no statement that said a spit 9 can't kill a yak-3. 

I'm sure you could kill a yak-3 piloted by me in your spit 9.  I'm sure I could kill a yak3 sitting on rearming pad with a spit 9.  Today I had a turn fight with with a guy named OBX in a TA-152 and he augered his Ki84 into the ground, does that mean a TA-152 can outturn a KI84? No.  It can't.

The fact is this - all things being Equal, a Spit 9 will not kill a Yak3.   

It's rather silly comparing the Spitfire Mk IX to the Yak-3.  The Spitfire Mk IX we have in game is an early version of that type and its best performance is at medium to high altitudes in this game and at lower altitudes easily beaten by the Yak-3's superior low altitude performance.  Compare the Spitfire Mk XVI vs. the Yak-3 and things tend to equal up a bit between the two.

ack-ack

[Zygote404]

It's rather silly comparing the Spitfire Mk IX to the Yak-3.  The Spitfire Mk IX we have in game is an early version of that type and its best performance is at medium to high altitudes in this game and at lower altitudes easily beaten by the Yak-3's superior low altitude performance.  Compare the Spitfire Mk XVI vs. the Yak-3 and things tend to equal up a bit between the two.

ack-ack

We really have to compare the planes based on where they operate in the game, not their theoretically performance at altitudes they never operate at. 

I mean technically my TA does 480mph with WEP but I need to climb to 44,000 feet and wait 15 minutes for it to accelerate to that speed, clearly a pointless exercise.