Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?

[BowHTR]

Elo rating

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and then base ENY on player rating

So you want everyone to start in high ENY planes, over time working their way to earn lower ENY planes, and now once you get good, your forced back into higher ENY planes because of your skill.

  Good luck.

The Melee Arena is a sandbox. Everyone has equal opportunity to do what they want. Quit trying to change that.

[nugetx]

So you want everyone to start in high ENY planes, over time working their way to earn lower ENY planes, and now once you get good, your forced back into higher ENY planes because of your skill.

Everyone starts in high eny, over time, if someone is very good, he gets lower eny for his planes or the worse player gets higher eny, so worse players have a chance also.

Everyone has equal opportunity to do what they want. Quit trying to change that.

Exactly, but not everyones skill is equal, there are worse and better players. Worse players get killed by better players.

Worse players then get frustrated and leave.  Those who are left today pick planes and fights, if a new player would start today he would be at total disadvantage on every side.



Perking planes and having a rating system, gives a much more fair chance for new players.

[BowHTR]

Everyone starts in high eny, over time, if someone is very good, he gets lower eny for his planes or the worse player gets higher eny, so worse players have a chance also.

Exactly, but not everyones skill is equal, there are worse and better players. Worse players get killed by better players.

Worse players then get frustrated and leave.  Those who are left today pick planes and fights, if a new player would start today he would be at total disadvantage on every side.



Perking planes and having a rating system, gives a much more fair chance for new players.

Your system still puts new players in higher ENY planes compared to the better/average players in the lower eny planes. They would still die in their high ENY planes. New players are ALWAYS going to have a disadvantage, because they are new to the game. If they want to be good at the game, they need to spend time doing that.

Your wanting a system that is like War Thunder. That isn't going to happen.

[Skuzzy]

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Your wanting a system that is like War Thunder. That isn't going to happen.

Quoted for truth.

[mikeWe9a]

Elo rating

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and then base ENY on player rating

So, are you going to limit more experienced players to lower performance planes to make it more fair?  Or are you suggesting that somehow it will be more fun for a new, inexperienced players to go up in a Brewster Buffalo against more experienced players flying FW-190D9, ME-262, and late model Spitfires?  Because while limiting the experienced players to low performance players may be more "fair," I'm pretty sure that those experienced players aren't going to go for it, and absolutely NO ONE will find it more enjoyable to limit the new players to low performance rides and drop them in the main arena surrounded by higher performance aircraft operated by more experienced people.

This discussion reminds me of some of the old days of usenet, when you couldn't tell whether someone was trolling for amusement, or just felt that their profound ignorance was a strength when debating technical topics.

Mike

[Wiley]

Elo rating

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and then base ENY on player rating

Forgetting about whatever else you're on about today, Elo rating only works for a 2 party contest like chess, or football on a by-team basis.  The Melee arena has nothing to do with a two party fight.  Therefore, Elo rating would be completely worthless for defining skill in this game.

This discussion reminds me of some of the old days of usenet, when you couldn't tell whether someone was trolling for amusement, or just felt that their profound ignorance was a strength when debating technical topics.

Mike

Why not both?

Wiley.

[Zoney]

"Never argue with a fool because they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

[Skuzzy]

I am still trying to figure out why you guys are still posting about this, when we have clearly stated none of this is going to happen.

[DmonSlyr]

I am still trying to figure out why you guys are still posting about this, when we have clearly stated none of this is going to happen.

Still think the old perk for the TA-152, should have been replaced for the 190D. The 190D is just a pick demon that does nothing but aggravate other players, then they simply hit X and zoom away at any fear of trouble. Less of these planes would make a better fighting atmosphere.

If you look at the stats from this tour and last, you can see that the 190D has by far the second most kills under the P51D, and the highest K/D for un perked planes. It gets almost 2000 more kills a month than most other planes. The 190D can simply dive and run, and people flying don't turn, that's why it has such a better K/D than the P51D, yak, La7, and spit16. It's becoming a nuisance, and I do think it has an effect on the excitment level of the fights.

[puller]

When I started playing in '05 I got destroyed...constantly...

But I liked the game...so I kept playing...and practicing...trying to get better...I wanted to play this game...so I tried...and learned...and have been constantly destroyed in this game for what...12 years now...

Here the point nug...there is nothing fair about this game...its a war game...you played for 2 weeks...YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME...

If you want to play the game, how about you actually try to play it...play it the way it is designed now...THEN, think about changes you might like...

It really seems every time I play I figure out something new or do something I haven't done before or have done it before and forgotten about it

[waystin2]

Still think the old perk for the TA-152, should have been replaced for the 190D. The 190D is just a pick demon that does nothing but aggravate other players, then they simply hit X and zoom away at any fear of trouble. Less of these planes would make a better fighting atmosphere.

If you look at the stats from this tour and last, you can see that the 190D has by far the second most kills under the P51D, and the highest K/D for un perked planes. It gets almost 2000 more kills a month than most other planes. The 190D can simply dive and run, and people flying don't turn, that's why it has such a better K/D than the P51D, yak, La7, and spit16. It's becoming a nuisance, and I do think it has an effect on the excitment level of the fights.

It's starting to sound like a whine.

[DmonSlyr]

It's starting to sound like a whine.

You asked for proof and I gave one part of it.
Don't make me fly a 190D all next tour.

[waystin2]

You asked for proof and I gave one part of it.
Don't make me fly a 190D all next tour.

I do not care what you fly.  Have at it.  You are close to the truth though but a little off.  It's an ENY thing not Perks. The 190D-9 is long overdue for an ENY adjustment to a lower number.  The Yak-3 is probably also on the list for an adjustment to a lower ENY as well.  We'll see what happens....

[bustr]

Seems like at some point nuget will rail about participation trophy's to boost the self esteem of the disadvantaged newbies to keep them in the game. His perk system only incentivizes those with the least abilities. It screws all those who have achieved anything over the years expecting to operate in a pure merit based system because they earned their level of skill the hard way.

Nuget seems not to respect the achievers in any game from the ideas he is presenting.

[puller]

You asked for proof and I gave one part of it.
Don't make me fly a 190D all next tour.

Do it 

Its almost the first of the month too