Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?

[Ack-Ack]

Still think the old perk for the TA-152, should have been replaced for the 190D. The 190D is just a pick demon that does nothing but aggravate other players, then they simply hit X and zoom away at any fear of trouble. Less of these planes would make a better fighting atmosphere.

If you look at the stats from this tour and last, you can see that the 190D has by far the second most kills under the P51D, and the highest K/D for un perked planes. It gets almost 2000 more kills a month than most other planes. The 190D can simply dive and run, and people flying don't turn, that's why it has such a better K/D than the P51D, yak, La7, and spit16. It's becoming a nuisance, and I do think it has an effect on the excitment level of the fights.

Again, you want the plane perked because the player in the Dora isn't fighting the way you want him to.  You'll never improve the game, nor attract players by trying to change how they fly and fight.

You asked for proof and I gave one part of it.
Don't make me fly a 190D all next tour.

According to the AH stats page, the Spitfire XVI has the 2nd most kills behind the P-51D for the last few tours that I've checked.  So your "proof" has been like your other "proofs", non-existent.

[lunatic1]

Quoted for truth.

well please sir lock it, it's getting redundant or already has.  PLEASE  enough is enough

[DmonSlyr]

Again, you want the plane perked because the player in the Dora isn't fighting the way you want him to.  You'll never improve the game, nor attract players by trying to change how they fly and fight.

According to the AH stats page, the Spitfire XVI has the 2nd most kills behind the P-51D for the last few tours that I've checked.  So your "proof" has been like your other "proofs", non-existent.

Notice the K/D difference. That reason is specifically correlated to the BnZ boring style of game play that plane promotes. It's  slightly less as good as a Temp. You might as well not even have a perk system. The noobs should just be allowed to fly Temps and 262s whenever they want so that they don't quit because hot shots get to fly one.

[Ack-Ack]

Notice the K/D difference. That reason is specifically correlated to the BnZ boring style of game play that plane promotes. It's  slightly less as good as a Temp. You might as well not even have a perk system. The noobs should just be allowed to fly Temps and 262s whenever they want so that they don't quit because hot shots get to fly one.

Unlike the Dora, the Tempest and Me 262 would cause a rather large game unbalance if unperked.

Your first sentence again just proves that your only intent is to try and make others fly how you want them to and not really a change to improve the game for everyone else.

[DmonSlyr]

Unlike the Dora, the Tempest and Me 262 would cause a rather large game unbalance if unperked.

Your first sentence again just proves that your only intent is to try and make others fly how you want them to and not really a change to improve the game for everyone else.

Akak, I think you need to recheck the #s. The 190D got close to 1000 more kills last tour than the F4u1A, and the P47M, which have similar K/D ratios. The 190D has twice the kills of the F4U1C and U4 combined. It gets more than 5x the kills of the Temp and the 262, they have better K/Ds because typically better pilots fly them, and people fly them safer.  So it has one of the highest K/D of any non perked plane with a 1000 more kills a tour than the next best K/D non perked plane with a relative amount of kills. (Some planes have better K/D but only <500 kills.) Those are not considered to he "unbalancers" look at the Hurr1 yikes!  But the 190D has 1000 kills more than the P47M and they have similar K/Ds. That should tell you that the 190D does "unbalance" the fights. 

[JimmyC]

When I started playing in '05 I got destroyed...constantly...

But I liked the game...so I kept playing...and practicing...trying to get better...I wanted to play this game...so I tried...and learned...and have been constantly destroyed in this game for what...12 years now...

Here the point nug...there is nothing fair about this game...its a war game...you played for 2 weeks...YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME...

If you want to play the game, how about you actually try to play it...play it the way it is designed now...THEN, think about changes you might like...

It really seems every time I play I figure out something new or do something I haven't done before or have done it before and forgotten about it

This..

and nuglet if you like to grind so much get on grinder...

[Zygote404]

Akak, I think you need to recheck the #s. The 190D got close to 1000 more kills last tour than the F4u1A, and the P47M, which have similar K/D ratios. The 190D has twice the kills of the F4U1C and U4 combined. It gets more than 5x the kills of the Temp and the 262, they have better K/Ds because typically better pilots fly them, and people fly them safer.  So it has one of the highest K/D of any non perked plane with a 1000 more kills a tour than the next best K/D non perked plane with a relative amount of kills. (Some planes have better K/D but only <500 kills.) Those are not considered to he "unbalancers" look at the Hurr1 yikes!  But the 190D has 1000 kills more than the P47M and they have similar K/Ds. That should tell you that the 190D does "unbalance" the fights.

I've found the TA a good counter to the 190D.   Interestingly while the majority use the D there are plenty of other types.  Likely because unlike the Spit XVI, LA7, Yak 3 and P51D the 190D doesnt do everything better than the earlier types.

While I understand Skuzzy saying why are we still talking about this it'll never happen I think given this is general discussion it doesn't hurt to discuss it and irrespective of whether you act on customer feedback its still extremely valuable to listen to it and take note of the points it raises.

While it'd be nice if all our customers expressed only positive views of products the most valuable feedback will always be the negative.

[bozon]

Unlike the Dora, the Tempest and Me 262 would cause a rather large game unbalance if unperked.

They dont unbalance the game in the usual sense - if they are free then everyone can fly them and no one has the advantage. The perk system actually breaks this symmetry because not all players can afford them.

What unperking them would do, and we learned this from the CHog, is to force everyone to fly them. So free planes sometimes end up limiting plane choice - not by preventing players from choosing a less advanced plane, but by strongly discoraging them.

What is good for the chog and tempest can be good for the La7 and others, at a much reduced cost.

[nugetx]

Look the top 10 planes are late war energy fighters.


The p51d with 18k kills and 14k deaths is used most of them all....

[The Fugitive]

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Look the top 10 planes are late war energy fighters.


The p51d with 18k kills and 14k deaths is used most of them all....

Yes it is, and that is what those players are paying their $15 to fly.

[atlau]

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Interesting stats and like all stats misleading. The f4u4 looks to be be than the f4u1c and the 190a8 is equal to the k4. The ah3 environment appears to favor firepower over balance.




Look the top 10 planes are late war energy fighters.


The p51d with 18k kills and 14k deaths is used most of them all....

[DmonSlyr]

They dont unbalance the game in the usual sense - if they are free then everyone can fly them and no one has the advantage. The perk system actually breaks this symmetry because not all players can afford them.

What unperking them would do, and we learned this from the CHog, is to force everyone to fly them. So free planes sometimes end up limiting plane choice - not by preventing players from choosing a less advanced plane, but by strongly discoraging them.

What is good for the chog and tempest can be good for the La7 and others, at a much reduced cost.

This is the correct answer. Less of the planes would equal better game play. We all know that some people will still fly them. less is more.

[nugetx]

This is the correct answer. Less of the planes would equal better game play. We all know that some people will still fly them. less is more.