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Offline thrila

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Fighter icon for the stuka
« on: July 16, 2017, 02:18:56 PM »
I think it's fair given it's similar in size to a fighter.


It will likely make this aircraft a tad more survivable by not sticking out like a sore thumb on radar.
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Offline EagleDNY

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Re: Fighter icon for the stuka
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2017, 02:29:52 PM »
Frankly I want to see icon size based on the size of the aircraft contact and nothing else.  As it is now a box of B-29s and a single TBM show the same icon on radar, and that is not how it was.  Give me size of the aircraft and some indication of whether it is low, med, or high. 

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Re: Fighter icon for the stuka
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2017, 04:44:03 PM »
And perk the Hurricane  :old:
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Re: Fighter icon for the stuka
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2017, 01:53:32 AM »
The icon should indicate drones formation. Makes sense game-wise and historically-wise.

A single SBD, TBM, A20, Mosquito B.XVI, B5N, JU87, etc should not be distinguished from a fighter. I dont mind that player that forgo the drones and take a single heavy bomber enjoy the same annonymity.
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Re: Fighter icon for the stuka
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2017, 11:33:47 AM »
I think it's fair given it's similar in size to a fighter.


It will likely make this aircraft a tad more survivable by not sticking out like a sore thumb on radar.

the stuka is classified as a Bomber/Attack plane. that's what it has a large icon, as do all the bombers.
and I think it's classified as a bomber because of its payload loadout.
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Re: Fighter icon for the stuka
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2017, 11:41:47 AM »
The icon should indicate drones formation. Makes sense game-wise and historically-wise.

A single SBD, TBM, A20, Mosquito B.XVI, B5N, JU87, etc should not be distinguished from a fighter. I dont mind that player that forgo the drones and take a single heavy bomber enjoy the same annonymity.

these planes are not fighters, they are bombers, they are classified as bomber or bomber/attack. not because HTC wants them that way, but that's what they are historically. SBD's and TBM's and JU87's don't have drones.

there is a Mosquito that's a fighter/attack= fighter icon----there's a Mosquito that's a pure bomber no guns= bomber icon.
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Re: Fighter icon for the stuka
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2017, 11:44:21 AM »
And perk the Hurricane  :old:

which one there are 4- hurri 1 hurri 2 hurri IID and the SEA HUrricane MK1

But -1 to all
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Re: Fighter icon for the stuka
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2017, 12:10:15 PM »
the stuka is classified as a Bomber/Attack plane. that's what it has a large icon, as do all the bombers.
and I think it's classified as a bomber because of its payload loadout.

Nope, the D3A is a bomber and it can take a single 250 kg bomb plus two average sized rocks. Far less than most jabos. Bomber icon has nothing to do with bomb load.

Add cannons to the stuka and it has no longer a bomber icon.... (same for the mossie)
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Re: Fighter icon for the stuka
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2017, 12:42:03 PM »
which one there are 4- hurri 1 hurri 2 hurri IID and the SEA HUrricane MK1

But -1 to all

A plane that has a K/D of 5.2 must be perked, its clearly overmodeled.
Checked your stats Thrila and holy mother of... Now i dont feel bad anymore for being killed by your Hurricane while in the stuka..
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Re: Fighter icon for the stuka
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2017, 01:05:11 PM »
Limiting the icon to a spit or a b17 is probably a game play concession and to keep you from not being on alert to the incoming con. Ain't interested it's just a single engine or everyone goes after the easy kill while a box of B26 finishes off your town and you loose your field. You have the potential based on "wants" in this post for a single engine bomber icon, twin engine and four engine. Then two more for box mode with the twin and four engine.

By giving you that much detail, it's not any different than giving you a single bomber icon and allowing an information flag to popup when you hover your mouse on the single bomber icon. Think of what that would do for fighter combat since Hitech probably would do the flag popup for both icon types. And then a group would start wanting Alt included in the bomber flag so they can avoid wasting time climbing or know they are about to get three tree top level free kills. Bomber guys would catch on to that after awhile.

In an open world sand box like ours, too much info is not conducive to players getting off their tower kesters and generating activity. Now they would have a movable menu to be picky about getting involved.
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Re: Fighter icon for the stuka
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2017, 01:19:17 PM »
Its not about adding more icon, its about letting small single engine bombers to have the fighter icon. They are more comparable to JABO:s like the P-38 than bombers and do not deserve the extra attention of a bomber icon.
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Re: Fighter icon for the stuka
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2017, 02:10:35 PM »
This type of wish has already been posted almost as soon as AH3 went live.

I was expanding on the theme with the other posters since the wish has been posted for a medium bomber icon. Bozon was going in a natural direction with is wish.

As for single engine attack planes tagged with the bomber Icon. Something about that is meaningful to Hitech unless there is a type flag in the identity code that simplifies his work in this area of coding. I wondered during the alpha testing if using a fighter and bomber icon instead of dots wasn't going to get Hitech demands for changes. Remember in AH2 one of the changes was that you could hover the mouse over the red dot and get info? So in AH3 we got a fighter and bomber icon.
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Re: Fighter icon for the stuka
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2017, 02:18:26 PM »
Its obvious that every plane listed as bomber have the bomber icon. But we can still wish.

I have an idea that selecting 'attack' in the hangar gives you a fighter icon, but at the same time disables drones so for twin engine bombers you could get a fighter icon if you go without drones. 4 engine bombers will Always have the bomber icon.
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Re: Fighter icon for the stuka
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2017, 03:24:50 AM »
these planes are not fighters, they are bombers, they are classified as bomber or bomber/attack. not because HTC wants them that way, but that's what they are historically. SBD's and TBM's and JU87's don't have drones.

there is a Mosquito that's a fighter/attack= fighter icon----there's a Mosquito that's a pure bomber no guns= bomber icon.
You describe how it currently works.
We are discussing how it should be.
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Re: Fighter icon for the stuka
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2017, 11:36:45 AM »
The icon should indicate drones formation. Makes sense game-wise and historically-wise.

A single SBD, TBM, A20, Mosquito B.XVI, B5N, JU87, etc should not be distinguished from a fighter. I dont mind that player that forgo the drones and take a single heavy bomber enjoy the same annonymity.

I would not appose it if all similar aircraft similar in size/performace of the Ju 87 also has fighter icons as per your suggestion. I do not mind either way for the larger aircraft such as the mossie and A20.

A plane that has a K/D of 5.2 must be perked, its clearly overmodeled.
Checked your stats Thrila and holy mother of... Now i dont feel bad anymore for being killed by your Hurricane while in the stuka..

I have been getting to grips with the hurri 1 in preparation for the upcoming Battle of Britain event- and to be honest I've been flying it fairly conservatively, hence the high stats.
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