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Offline bustr

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Re: STOP REFURBISHING HAS BEENS!
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2017, 03:49:42 PM »
No one refurbishes the 3D aircraft model today, you go shopping at a 3D professional model site in the prop plane WW2 section. Then your 3D art personnel adjusts it to work in your game engine and creates anything else not part of the purchased package. Something really unique and rare, Waffle may well have to create from scratch, still, there are many existing models of different levels of quality that can be worked with.

At places like these for example:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/aircraft

https://www.turbosquid.com

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Re: STOP REFURBISHING HAS BEENS!
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2017, 04:46:11 PM »
So - if purchasing a well made 3D model can be had from anywhere from $60 - $600, does maybe fundraising for Aces High to purchase these models an option? I.e. a bunch of us buy 3-5 models as a gift to Waffle?

How much time to it save him in the skinning area if a well made 3D model is purchased instead of made from scratch? Is that what HTC did with the Iowa Battleship class?
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Re: STOP REFURBISHING HAS BEENS!
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2017, 05:42:51 PM »
I believe they ask Greebo to skin the default model and what Waffle has on his plate only Hitech knows. The vast majority of these posts try to force Hitech to do what the lynch MOB wants asap after the original poster gets them whipped into a fever pitch. Or subsequent unhappy people looking for an opening to try one more time to leverage Hitech with community pressure and even indirect shaming. Not knowing Hitech's schedule has always lead to assumptions that he is sitting on his thumbs laughing at us instead of hopping to it every time someone barks at him in these forums.

Most of you forget it took 2 years of daily testing to get AH3 out the door and Hitech had spent a year before those 2 laying all the ground work for the new game engine.
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Re: STOP REFURBISHING HAS BEENS!
« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2017, 06:26:37 PM »
Most of you forget...


No we don't.

Your exposition on 3D modeling was interesting though.  I'd always thought it was done entirely in-house.
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Re: STOP REFURBISHING HAS BEENS!
« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2017, 02:51:25 AM »
Yes....I think we need crew modifiers as well, higher roll rate and more accurate guns the more experience credits achieved... that sort of thing. That way the game would ROCK!
And different races of pilots! All games now have different races a player can choose from, and since AH models historic equipment, we could have historically accurate races with different...
OH WAIT...  :uhoh
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Re: STOP REFURBISHING HAS BEENS!
« Reply #50 on: October 29, 2017, 09:20:09 AM »
So - if purchasing a well made 3D model can be had from anywhere from $60 - $600, does maybe fundraising for Aces High to purchase these models an option? I.e. a bunch of us buy 3-5 models as a gift to Waffle?

How much time to it save him in the skinning area if a well made 3D model is purchased instead of made from scratch? Is that what HTC did with the Iowa Battleship class?

I thought Waffle did the BB himself, that's the impression I got anyway.

More than once I've wondered how kick-starter type programs to fund new 3D model development would fare in AH.  Even if you pay for the 3D model and the default skin, HTC still has to develop the flight model and integrate it into the game.  Not sure what the time savings in overall a/c development and introduction would be but I suspect developing a flight model is fairly time-consuming.

Still, this seems like an idea worthy of considering and I would most likely contribute additional $$ for a new model I'm interested in seeing in AH.

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Re: STOP REFURBISHING HAS BEENS!
« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2017, 01:50:04 PM »
At $500 he may well have created it from the ground up himself. At between 70-150$ per plane, getting all the heavy lifting as a package makes sense. And there is a detailed Fletcher class destroyer for about $285. All the Essex class CV I've found are much less detailed than what Waffle upgraded our CV to. If you are a small understaffed company, these prices cut down on a lot of work time for the primary object. And the icing on the cake is how accomplished and talented Waffle is in creating 3D models already. I believe he created the Me410 from scratch because I cannot find any 3D offereings.

In the end there is no way to tell if things are ala Waffle or, purchased from a clearing house of 3D professional art work and modified by Waffle. And the Whirlwind guys will be happy to know there are at least two 3D artists who like it as much as they do...And at Trubosquid, WW2 tanks out the whizzo. WT and WoT may have been good for the 3D modeling industry over the short run. This looks like equipment I've seen there. As for players buying these for HTC, that won't be good when the ride a player donates to HTC dosen't live up to his expectations. Just think of the screeching and insulting accusations that post will be full of.


https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/battleship-missouri-ship-3d-model/463182

https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/uss-class-max/342110

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/aircraft/historic/westland-whirlwind-mk-1

https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-westland-whirlwind-british-fighter/797827

https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-tank-destroyer-m36-jackson/838630

https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/tiger-p---elefant-3d-1158424

https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-model-of-britain-cruiser-wwii-tank/763838

https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/max-1-kv-tanks-soviet/694878

Does this look familiar, makes me think Mr. Waffle is a 3D genius.

https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/british-heavy-bomber-avro-lancaster-3d-max/832847
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Re: STOP REFURBISHING HAS BEENS!
« Reply #52 on: October 30, 2017, 01:59:09 AM »
That Whirlwind is sweet!
But I have a very reliable source that leaked HTC's secret plan for a Whirlwind+Beaufighter combo release... hush hush!  :lipsrsealed:
Mosquito VI - twice the spitfire, four times the ENY.

Click!>> "So, you want to fly the wooden wonder" - <<click!
the almost incomplete and not entirely inaccurate guide to the AH Mosquito.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGOWswdzGQs

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Re: STOP REFURBISHING HAS BEENS!
« Reply #53 on: October 30, 2017, 05:19:38 AM »
That Whirlwind is sweet!
But I have a very reliable source that leaked HTC's secret plan for a Whirlwind+Beaufighter combo release... hush hush!  :lipsrsealed:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/aircraft/historic/bristol-beaufighter-mk-10

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/aircraft/historic/westland-whirlwind-mk-1
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