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[hitech]

Seems the problem is setting up the game (UI) and then getting into action?

HiTech...why are the defaults that a controller(joystick) have so far off from what would actually make sense for playing. Example when I first setup my new computer with my CH combat stick the hat switch was all off...Im sure most use there's the same as me with the hat being their views but the default has the views all sorts of backwards.

Is there anyway to get some players controller layouts for different sticks/controllers and make better defaults so players can get into action faster?

First you seem to miss that only 15% have joy sticks?

But on the Joy stick thing, any stick can have a unique default. To solve that I have been archiving all stick configs on our servers, I just need to go threw them to select the ones to ship with AH as defaults.

HiTech

[Vraciu]

I would think some form of free play involving the MA would be the best way to attempt growing the player base.  Hang something in front of them while they get there feet wet.

Right now at two weeks.. they dont even know what they are missing before the trial ends.  Some folks are lucky to log into any game once a week.

Im going to mess with default mouse settings this weekend to see if i can suggest any ways of making it easier.

It sounds like most of the new guys downloading the game dont even have gear.  I think making life as easy as possible for them should be a priority.

The last mouse control change was a huge step in the right direction.

Time switch and ENY might not be as big of an issue when numbers swell a little.

Yep.  But if you can't even keep them around for fifteen MINUTES then something else needs tweaking. 

It's good to see that much volume though. 

[Lazerr]

I wouldnt stay for 15 minutes if my mouse didnt properly operate in a simple way in the game, and that was/is my flight control.

As said in a few other posts.. mouse controls have recently changed, maybe some fine tuning is all that is needed.  He did mention 15% of the recent accounts didnt have flight gear.

I going to create a cult of mouse rolling p38 dweebs.

[hitech]

I wouldnt stay for 15 minutes if my mouse didnt properly operate in a simple way in the game, and that was/is my flight control.

As said in a few other posts.. mouse controls have recently changed, maybe some fine tuning is all that is needed.  He did mention 15% of the recent accounts didnt have flight gear.

I going to create a cult of mouse rolling p38 dweebs.

You have it backwards ONLY 15% have Joy sticks 85% only have a mouse to fly with.

HiTech

[Lazerr]

Whoops that was how I had it in my head.. came out wrong in type..

Any information about xbox type controllers? (Not even sure if they are supported here)

[hitech]

Whoops that was how I had it in my head.. came out wrong in type..

Any information about xbox type controllers? (Not even sure if they are supported here)

They are supported, I had looked but forgot what % they are but they are included in the 15%.

HiTech

[JunkyII]

Of the previously mentioned 15% with joysticks...what is the percentage of people who stay from that number compared to the people who stay that don't have joysticks. That 3000 seems like the crowd to be chasing because the fact they have invested into flight simulator controllers wouldn't that mean they are more willing to invest in a subscription to a good MMO flight simulator.

Gaming industry numbers are complex as hell and very jnteresting.

[bustr]

I once setup my mouse to see what Lazerr goes through to play the game. My hat off to him for a unique skill mastery. Lazerr aside as a unique exception, is this game without more than a casual interest to see what it looks like, really compatible to a mouse letting you achieve enough satisfaction in 30 minutes to stay with it?

Or does it need something akin to stall limiter combined with aerial training wheels so mouse mode turns the game into an arcade experience like WT? Still, the competitors have beautiful terrains which are not appreciated as much as expected benchmarks to help keep their customers attention.

[hitech]

I once setup my mouse to see what Lazerr goes through to play the game. My hat off to him for a unique skill mastery. Lazerr aside as a unique exception, is this game without more than a casual interest to see what it looks like, really compatible to a mouse letting you achieve enough satisfaction in 30 minutes to stay with it?

Or does it need something akin to stall limiter combined with aerial training wheels so mouse mode turns the game into an arcade experience like WT? Still, the competitors have beautiful terrains which are not appreciated as much as expected benchmarks to help keep their customers attention.

Unplug your joy sticks and try once again, with the addition of mouse rudder on the ground, take off is fairly simple.

HiTech

[bustr]

Unplug your joy sticks and try once again, with the addition of mouse rudder on the ground, take off is fairly simple.

HiTech

I'm confused, "mouse rudder"?

When I test flying like Lazerr, I used the keyboard for rudder.

[hitech]

I'm confused, "mouse rudder"?

When I test flying like Lazerr, I used the keyboard for rudder.

When taking off, you move the mouse left and right for rudder, once in the air the key board controls rudder.

HiTech

[Delirium]

Stupid question, how do you know how many people use a mouse versus a joystick?

[BuckShot]

You have it backwards ONLY 15% have Joy sticks 85% only have a mouse to fly with.

HiTech

15+ years ago, I found a flight stick in the swap area at the dump. The driver cd had fighter ace on it. I've always been a WW2 aircraft junkie but that dump find is how I got into war flying games...fighter ace on a flight stick driver cd.

Maybe HiTech could sell flight sticks like the Logitec 3d pro and include a ah3 and a month sub on the cd  along with the stick.

Another idea is to offer sticks at a reduced rate when they sign up for a month or 3...buy a year long sub, free stick!

[Gman]

Delirium - when you install the game it asks if it can survey your hardware IIRC, I imagine that's how  HTC gets its data on systems/sticks/etc.  Very important info to know about client machines and hardware too IMO, I always check it on my AH3 gaming system. 

40k installs.  That's insane - in a good way, I can see how switching from 6 to 3 to satisfy old style players seems like a pretty insignifigant issue when trying to figure out how to capture more of those new players.  10% of those = 4000 new accounts, AH3 would be back to the blue/orange first world problems.  I really hope it happens too, the new ideas sound good IMO, especially the contest and control stuff. 

I flew the game with the Vive controllers once, and the Rift gamepad/Xbox thingamajig - I detest control pads, but it did work pretty well IMO.  I'll have to mess with the mouse stuff again soon and see how it goes.  Lazer, you should build a video on how to fly well with a mouse, since you've refused every offer for a stick since I've known you, hah.

[Lazerr]

When taking off, you move the mouse left and right for rudder, once in the air the key board controls rudder.

HiTech

Pretty neat addition.  It will help the new guys using mouse a ton.