The HO

[Arlo]

Seeing as how you are the filler in most fundamentally wrong threads, you must be grateful.  Just need to post a unfunny gif to cap it off.

There was no intention of stepping on your toe .... or feeler, TB.

[FLS]

More sporting to shoot them in the back.   

[JunkyII]

Rodent was more then willing to use a comment like "oh wow that's the first time I've seen you use your flaps ever Junky" that same night so Arlo...quit defending his honor because he was obviously more then ready to fuss that night.

Let me clear up another thing....I'm mad about dieing to HOs?!?!?!...when the situation which this post was made I won a 3 v 1 where I was HOed....the missed attempt gave me time to get energy....so FLS...your peer might need a refresher on what he can do in situations because obviously going for HO isn't the right answer.


A new player taking a HO vs a new player who learns the merge....yea the HO might lead to immediate success...but his growth will be stunted at a certain level because 1. They aren't doing the right thing and 2. They are shortening their "play time" because they keep getting damaged in HOs.

Defending the HO....straight up disgusts me.

Shida, glad your better then me at explaining stuff

[Biggamer]

oh look someone not playing by junkys rules time for him to start bashing 

[Arlo]

I'm wondering who's 'defending HOs.' Pretty sure people are saying HOs aren't worth the threads they seem to start. 

[Dundee]

I'm wondering who's 'defending HOs.' Pretty sure people are saying HOs aren't worth the threads they seem to start. 

What would of have been cool was manned guns and a VH at the HQ....... would have brought some very cool GV battles........but this game is anti GV so it didn't happen

[nrshida]

I believe the point of this thread is fundamentally wrong, as well.

And that's all you have: unsubstantiated belief. You (still) haven't fully understood the point of this thread (perhaps because your ACM isn't even developed enough to identify), nor addressed a single reasoned argument with an equivalently reasoned argued point. Just launched a sequence of personal attacks, trolling, lying and posting reactive comments, withdrawing and reasserting, feigning you're simply looking for a reasonable conversation while casting bait after bait so you can establish your favoured pattern of bickering like a schoolyard shouting match until everybody else is forced to disengage or end up looking exactly like you. Then when you're last man standing you round it off with your Dr Phil closing comments implying you've been on topic the whole time, and only concerned for the community and have of course won the argument while smirking proudly and intolerably.

A completely disingenuous approach and ultimately a false positive reinforcement which ensures you'll be here again in the next thread which triggers you doing the same. And of course, discouraging anyone disagreeing with you to be. If you could become slightly more self-aware of your prejudices and put 1/10th of this energy into getting help with your flying, you wouldn't get triggered and be able to recognise the subtlety of what's been said here.

I firmly believe the mere act of dodging the HO then killing that pilot, afterwards (if he isn't in a faster plane and runs away), will convince any player that relies heavily on that tactic, yet is interested in staying in the game, to learn how to do more than just that.

Just before you pop off again, Trigger, I'm not addressing you specifically with the below, although I'm sure you'll yummy it up as more material for trolling. This is for anyone else who reads this point.

This is about the lake. Many years ago posted by a (now defunct) squad of new players:

"Only one pilot I have ever witnessed never “ho’s”. And I mean never. I have heard several opponents speak ---------- of NrShida who usually flies the Ki-84 with the Knights, because he never “ho’s”, not even when he is “ho’ed”. He was a former member of ------, and for some reason, ------, flies solo. He is the Zen master in the DA, the “Silver Surfer”, and a total class act in DA. ------ But if do, give the Ki-84 the benefit of the doubt because if you don’t ho your engagement may last 1-2 minutes, if you are lucky, but if you do “ho” shorten that time of your life expectancy by 1 min 45 seconds from that 2 minutes. ----- He won’t taunt  or criticize you, he’s too ------- to do that. He will simply kill you, quickly".


This was from 2010. So much for shame policing and virtue signalling of which I've been idly accused several times during this thread.


I will consider answering anyone who makes a reasoned point about the topic but frankly Arlo will do his best to put a stop to that. Plus I'm pretty bored by this point and have new ACM to practice for my next Blade fights 

I will close this therefore with a limited Christmas offer: if anyone is really struggling dealing with getting HOed (besides Arlo whom I enjoy hearing is still struggling with it), PM me for a private session in the new year where I'll teach you to never get hit and always separate from that first merge with both an angular and energetic advantage.

And a very Merry Christmas to all aspirant or practicing ACM-heads out there. 

[Arlo]

Merry Christmas to you, too.

[RODBUSTR]

    Newb.....  Veteran players do It about as much.  I think much is about tunnel vision. But I prefer to CounterHO.  You can push the stick forward at about 1.5  go under e/a. and then use increased energy to maneuver .  Or if wing guns, come in slightly off line, use past convergence angle of bullets to to HOse down E/A.  This works well in a plane with a big rudder. 

[Vinkman]

I will use the HO on a plane with a much better turn rate.  If I head towards a Zeke (or a brewster)  and he sees me, he will turn towards me. The ho will be the only shot I get, because I can't turn with those planes. I will often shoot early so he breaks offline and then I have chance at an angle if my ACM is perfect. I will always HO a Zeke Brewster, or Hurricane. Guys who show up to a fight in these planes are always complaining about getting HO-ed, but not doing so gives them all the advantage. 

Now imagine you're a noob in an mustang and you come up against an F4U. Your ACM isn't good yet. Getting an enemy to break early is an advantage. It's a good tactic for noobs.  I cut them slack because they usually shoot too early and aren't good shots and I can avoid serous damage from the HO and stay in the fight. If they are truly noobs, I usually win.

The HOs I complain about aren't the noobs, it's the vets with tracers off.  They take advantage of the "etiquette" some players will fly by, holding fire (making you think they want a merge and dog fight) then fire at the last second and you can't react because their tracers are off.  I learned to just accept it because the "ettiquette" merge in the MA is mostly a dead concept. 

[SlipKnt]

All depends on the situation...

A plane defending against a field take attempt will HO every time.  Chances are they get the cover plane, and if they go down, can usually get back in the air and strafe the MR before troops can take it.

Any experienced player will assume that the opposing plane WILL pull the trigger in a HO and attempt to take counter measures against it. 

 

When I merge with another opponent and we are going head to head, if they don't pull the trigger either, I gulp and know a really good fight is about to happen.  I typically won't pull the trigger in a HO on the first or second pass.  if it is a long BnZ style fight I will continue to attempt to maneuver.  But, if it turns into an intense turn fight, I am pulling the trigger every chance I get a part of the enemy plane in my pipper.  Mainly because at some point, a friendly will swoop in and clear your 12 or another enemy plane or two will start diving in to get a quick and easy kill. 

 

Simply put, it is part of the game whether we like it or not.  It took me years to learn what a HO was and what a deflection shot was.  In the beginning, and yes, it can take years to understand this, all you are trying to do is get into the action, put the red in front of you and squeeze the trigger hoping you can get a kill.

 

I usually don't ever get bothered by HOs any longer.  I expect it is going to happen on every merge.  I whine in silence when I get picked by relatively great players that hover fights only to swoop in and pick then fly off without actually engaging.  Hit and fly away.  Rinse and repeat.  Seems boring to me. 

 

But hey.  We each pay our account.  Each will play the game the way they wish.  In the end, all we can do is log in and enjoy the game and play your game the way you like to play it.  Each player eventually evolves.  As a community, the experienced players should help teach the newer players and knock off the whines and constant calling out players on 200 for taking a shot. 



 

[SlipKnt]

I will use the HO on a plane with a much better turn rate.  If I head towards a Zeke (or a brewster)  and he sees me, he will turn towards me. The ho will be the only shot I get, because I can't turn with those planes. I will often shoot early so he breaks offline and then I have chance at an angle if my ACM is perfect. I will always HO a Zeke Brewster, or Hurricane. Guys who show up to a fight in these planes are always complaining about getting HO-ed, but not doing so gives them all the advantage. 

Now imagine you're a noob in an mustang and you come up against an F4U. Your ACM isn't good yet. Getting an enemy to break early is an advantage. It's a good tactic for noobs.  I cut them slack because they usually shoot too early and aren't good shots and I can avoid serous damage from the HO and stay in the fight. If they are truly noobs, I usually win.

The HOs I complain about aren't the noobs, it's the vets with tracers off.  They take advantage of the "etiquette" some players will fly by, holding fire (making you think they want a merge and dog fight) then fire at the last second and you can't react because their tracers are off.  I learned to just accept it because the "ettiquette" merge in the MA is mostly a dead concept. 

 

[JunkyII]

I'm wondering who's 'defending HOs.' Pretty sure people are saying HOs aren't worth the threads they seem to start. 

A trainer was on 200....you missing the reason I started the thread???

And if the thread doesn't matter to you why post and make it have 11 pages??? Because you're not a troll right??? 

oh look someone not playing by junkys rules time for him to start bashing 

I will bash you in your favorite ride anytime you want Biggamer....but that isn't the point and you didn't read enough of the thread to even have a valid comment to say so you aren't worth anymore time...oh and just to make it clear...I'll bash you in your favorite ride whenever you want.

I will use the HO on a plane with a much better turn rate.  If I head towards a Zeke (or a brewster)  and he sees me, he will turn towards me. The ho will be the only shot I get, because I can't turn with those planes. I will often shoot early so he breaks offline and then I have chance at an angle if my ACM is perfect. I will always HO a Zeke Brewster, or Hurricane. Guys who show up to a fight in these planes are always complaining about getting HO-ed, but not doing so gives them all the advantage. 

Now imagine you're a noob in an mustang and you come up against an F4U. Your ACM isn't good yet. Getting an enemy to break early is an advantage. It's a good tactic for noobs.  I cut them slack because they usually shoot too early and aren't good shots and I can avoid serous damage from the HO and stay in the fight. If they are truly noobs, I usually win.

The HOs I complain about aren't the noobs, it's the vets with tracers off.  They take advantage of the "etiquette" some players will fly by, holding fire (making you think they want a merge and dog fight) then fire at the last second and you can't react because their tracers are off.  I learned to just accept it because the "ettiquette" merge in the MA is mostly a dead concept. 

We all know who those nerds are but like I said about newbs you are just stunting their growth telling newbs to HO or even saying it's OK.

P51 vs F4U....Id rather see a noon extend away in a zoom climb then see them take a HO shot.

[Arlo]

The quotes I posted covered a lot of [apparently increasing] territory on this subject over the years. I did my best to pick reputable and memorable players so you wouldn't think it was just me. There was even some that I thought you'd appreciate.

Oh lord, please don't let me be misunderstood. Merry Christmas to you, too, Junky. 

[JunkyII]

The quotes I posted covered a lot of [apparently increasing] territory on this subject over the years. I did my best to pick reputable and memorable players so you wouldn't think it was just me. There was even some that I thought you'd appreciate.

Oh lord, please don't let me be misunderstood. Merry Christmas to you, too, Junky. 

Like I already said if you think it doesn't need to be discussed again why post more then once....oh wait, because you're just a troll....all you are but you kiss enough bellybutton that you got buddies, good for you man, doesn't mean you aren't full of crap