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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2017, 02:59:25 PM »
The one that got me was the day our one barn cat brought home a weasel.  She was a helluva hunter.

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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2017, 03:06:21 PM »
I have four boys, if they are indoor cats, keep their claws trimmed. I have to take Warfarin\Cumadin everyday and have a vested interest in trimming claws. If you have reaction problems from cat scratches you probably have issues with those specific bacteria or an allergy to them. If I get lazy and don't trim claws regularly, I end up with punctures from them hopping on and off me along with scratches that leave scars when they decide to suddenly launch and go galloping off into the house. I have scratch scars on my shoulders from what every cat owner goes through. "NOOOOO, I don't want you to put me down......." I have more T-Shirts with holes in them from just that alone.

Here are my boys....Domestic Longhair, Main Coon, California Spangled, Norwegian Forrest cat. Spangelds, they talk 24x7, even in their sleep. His stripes didn't turn into spots so didn't conform to the breed standard of looking like a miniature Leopard. Used to have a Turkish Angora male that hunted dogs and try to kill them. He brought me a whole live possum litter once. Out door cats can get really scary and expensive vet bills.


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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2017, 03:21:22 PM »
Mine are just mutts.  The offspring of ferals.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2017, 03:49:47 PM »
Before the housing bubble popped, there were a lot of people breeding in my area. So many of the shelters ended up with non-conforming breed dumps to get ready for the next litter. I think I've done my part for animal rescues if those four loafers are any measure...... :lol
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2017, 06:23:34 PM »
Heh, good posts Skuzzy/etc, always makes me laugh, seeing cats hone their hunting skills, especially with another cat, or even dog.  That's a huge cat for 4 months, how much does she weigh now?

My father's new monster, been a great addition for him since my mother died last month.  She came from an abusive home and environment, and was allowed out to roam free at the SPCA, but had been taken home twice by others, and returned.  She would hide, which made her unattractive to keep I guess.  She hid on us for a couple days too, but gentle coaxing, lots of cat treats, and patience, has yielded a very friendly and trusting cat for my father.  Now you can't get her down off his bed, I catch him talking to her quite a bit now, again, she's been great for him.  I ordered the best cat food that the vet recommended, both hard and soft, and she has obviously put on about 2 or 3 lbs from her skinny condition when I picked her up.  She also has begin playing with the cat condo and toys I bought for her, all good signs she's going to be OK.  Best $25 I've spent in a long time, the effect that small amount of money has had on my father is incredible.  That small fee included all her shots, the first vet visit free/paid for by the SPCA, in addition to them having already spayed her.  She's 18 months old, and I hope is with my father for a long, long time.




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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2017, 07:16:05 PM »
My brother had a cat...relentless hunter.   Was sitting out in the front yard chatting with my mom one day and it started raining feathers.   That cat had vulched a Whitewing Dove right over our heads.

Another time he was sunning himself in the grass beside the house.  A grackle flew right over his location fairly low.  POW!   Grabbed him right out of the air like a Wirb with a PK. 

Don’t know what happened to him.  One day he just stopped coming home.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2017, 07:24:35 PM »
I watched the interview bellow posted on other site, about toxoplasmosis  transmitted to humans from cats . Never heard about this diseases, I grew up.eoth cats around the house. I understand only recently the mechanism of transmission and effect on humans was understood.  The old crazy ladies sharing the house with dozens of cats are actually nutz affected by this parasite. It's interesting what a complex  evolutionary trick is used by toxoplasma gondii manipulating and sacrifing the mice/rat host  behaviour just to perpetuate and multiply.

"The infection toxoplasmosis is caused by the parasite Toxoplasma gondii and is widely spread. It's estimated that 30-50 per cent of the global human population are carriers. Cats are the parasites' main host, but the infection is also spread among other animals, including humans. A series of studies have previously shown that the parasite affects the brain of infected rats so that they lose fear of cats and even become attracted to cats' smell, making them an easy prey. This is how the parasite is spread onward, by ensuring that the rat is eaten by a cat. Toxoplasmosis is life-threatening to people with impaired immune systems and to unborn fetuses, but causes only mild symptoms in healthy individuals. However, there are studies showing that mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, depression and anxiety disorder are more common in people who are carriers of Toxoplasma gondii. There are also studies indicating that the parasite may affect aggressive or risky behavior."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171208095923.htm






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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2017, 06:27:48 AM »
GMan, his healthy weight is about 16 to 18 pounds.  He is a very lean and muscular cat.  His sister, at 8 to 10 pounds, is a bit chunky. 

Between the two, she is far more instinctual than he is.  She does things like try to bury her food dish after she eats (cats in the wild do that to leave no trace behind for predators to track).  She is a very patient hunter, stalking her prey until she can make the kill with as little movement as possible.

She also parkours off vertical surfaces to prevent losing speed when chasing her prey (all too often Jag is the prey).  She manages her energy very well.  She successfully bounces from one wall to the other when chasing Jag down the hallway, until she is next to him and then she lands the kill shot as she flies over him to the wall.

Although he has recently started flipping over on his back and sliding along the floor to take her out of the air.

I keep trying to get video of them in action, but then they get obsessed with the camera.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2017, 07:12:49 AM »
GMan, his healthy weight is about 16 to 18 pounds.  He is a very lean and muscular cat.  His sister, at 8 to 10 pounds, is a bit chunky. 

Between the two, she is far more instinctual than he is.  She does things like try to bury her food dish after she eats (cats in the wild do that to leave no trace behind for predators to track).  She is a very patient hunter, stalking her prey until she can make the kill with as little movement as possible.

She also parkours off vertical surfaces to prevent losing speed when chasing her prey (all too often Jag is the prey).  She manages her energy very well.  She successfully bounces from one wall to the other when chasing Jag down the hallway, until she is next to him and then she lands the kill shot as she flies over him to the wall.

Although he has recently started flipping over on his back and sliding along the floor to take her out of the air.

I keep trying to get video of them in action, but then they get obsessed with the camera.

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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2017, 10:25:21 AM »
Ya know, cats are sadistic. They will wound an animal, but not kill it.
Just so they can torture it for a while! I have vid of 3 cats, taking turns
torturing a Bluejay, that was bold enough to steal their catfood!

Kitty kills! Feline gun camera!
I have many of those pics.. If I can make them work here..

https://imgur.com/ABzduuJ

GRRRR  :furious
OK, how do I make the pic show in the post,
instead of just the link???

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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2017, 10:34:44 AM »
Well, I tried to set it for you, but apparently it does not work with the site you are using.

For real images just wrap the image tags around the link.

Cats do what cats are meant to do.  They hunt and kill.  They protect their territory.  They are merciless about it.  Welcome to nature.

Cats do not "torture" animals.  They will take the time to use an animal to keep themselves physically in shape in order to be the hunter/killer they are.  It is just they way they are made.  It is instinctive and brutal.  From your perspective it is "torture", from their perspective it is a necessity for survival.

In a home when cats "play" with each other they are actually taking turns playing hunter/prey to keep their skills sharp.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2017, 10:50:30 AM »
Thanks Skuzzy, I'll try that..

Rgr, I know it it is not really sadistic, just natural for them..
LOL, but it sure looks that way!

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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2017, 11:01:57 AM »
There are a number of things which could be going on in that picture.

My first thought is the cat is taking the potential kill to a safe place to finish it off and eat it.  Cats are most vulnerable when they are eating as they have their head down so they look for safe places to consume their kill.  It is instinctive for outdoor cats.

If the kill is outside their territory, they will drag it back there as well to avoid confrontation with whatever animal has marked the territory they are in.

A cat who can chase down a squirrel has some serious skills.  Be a good farm cat.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2017, 11:17:02 AM »
They'll sit next to a mole hole, and listen..
When they see the dirt come pushing out the top, they pounce..
Ram their front leg down the hole and yank the mole right out..
Amazing!

And if they can't catch the mole, they dig open the hole,
and pee in it! :evil: Out of spite, I assume!

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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2017, 05:28:30 PM »
Cats have many ways to hurt you.  It is the nature of being a hunter/killer.

The bacteria, in their claws, is enough to send many people to the hospital with one swipe.  We keep Neosporin around just for those scratches.  Best first aid treatment for a cat scratch EVER!

Here is my little guy at 4 months old.  He was not near done growing. I think it gives you a sense of his size.
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The true Cat Scratch Fever (Adenitis sp?) I had that from my ex wife's cat.

For some reason a clueless cat jumped the fence into my back yard one day and was caught and gutted by my previous Black Lab. The cat was rather large but my lab was 118 lbs. I believe he was around 15 years old at the time and had no problems.

That was Zeek. He liked to ride in the back of my truck and we would go on drives to Galveston and other places so he could check around. At 17 I had to put him down. Cancer was taking him and he was too old to survive an operation. Buried un the largest oak in my back yard. He still rides with me every day..... his collar is on my trucks rear view mirror.

My current lab can chase down squirrels. He is at 100 lbs and can leap a mile or cut on a dime. He is still young.
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