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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2017, 07:19:42 PM »



from within imjur, right click on your image and in that right click menu go to 'open image in new tab'..if that image then has an extension .xxx like .jpg or .bmp or .gif then you can copy that address hit the insert image button and place the address in between the beginning and ending image tags.

maybe resize the image

to dynamically resize the image you can edit your opening [img tag to read something like [img width=200  it will then maintain the aspect ratio of the picture (without specifying height) but still resize it.


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OK, how do I make the pic show in the post,
instead of just the link???
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2017, 06:03:17 AM »
The true Cat Scratch Fever (Adenitis sp?) I had that from my ex wife's cat.

For some reason a clueless cat jumped the fence into my back yard one day and was caught and gutted by my previous Black Lab. The cat was rather large but my lab was 118 lbs. I believe he was around 15 years old at the time and had no problems.

That was Zeek. He liked to ride in the back of my truck and we would go on drives to Galveston and other places so he could check around. At 17 I had to put him down. Cancer was taking him and he was too old to survive an operation. Buried un the largest oak in my back yard. He still rides with me every day..... his collar is on my trucks rear view mirror.

My current lab can chase down squirrels. He is at 100 lbs and can leap a mile or cut on a dime. He is still young.

Dogs are great until they have to go vertical, then the cat wins.  Referring to chasing squirrels and other rodents.

We had both on the farm I was raised on.  The dog was the herder, the cat was a mouser.

One area a cat simply blows a dog away is night hunting.  Those nocturnal rodents did not stand a chance against our mouser.  She'd be laying in the floor and raise her head up.  Take a sniff, and then head out the door.  A couple minutes later a dead rodent would be on the porch.

Together, they were a formidable force.  When they were not protecting the farm, they would play together.  It was a hoot to watch.

But you cannot beat a dog for loyalty or protection.  Cats are instinctive animals.  They really have no allegiance to humans.  The best you can with a cat is earn its trust.  Then they might let you scratch their belly.  Earn the trust of a dog, and you have a friend for life who will put your safety ahead of their own.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2017, 06:29:44 AM »
There was a BBC wildlife program on a few years ago which featured a mother peregrine falcon teaching her offspring how to hunt on the wing. She struck a pigeon in mid air, hurt it enough to slow it down a bit and then let it go. Her brood then took it in turns to try to kill the same bird but were unsuccessful.

What surprised me was the similarity of the tactics employed by the birds to fighter tactics. The mother falcon swooped down into the pigeon's low six o'clock, attacked from below and behind and the pigeon never saw her coming. Her inexperienced young however failed to get into the pigeon's blind spot and each time at the last second their prey either dumped lift or executed a break turn into the attack causing the falcon to miss.

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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2017, 07:26:05 AM »
Thanks Kanth, for the more detailed info, I'll figure it out eventually..

Yes, we live in a rural area, livestock are common..
When you have livestock, you have feed.. Where you have feed, you have rodents!
Our cats get lots of hunting practice.. The cat with the squirrel is Scotch, pic taken in August, 8 months old! For a cat, that's a teenager..
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2017, 12:17:20 PM »
My cats aren’t hunters. My male only ever killed one mouse and he chewed it to death. He was the alpha of the house though. 3 cats and 2 dogs. My dachshund wouldn’t walk down the hall if he was in it and my jack Russell would try to displace him as supreme ruler....never worked. As soon as my male cat would stand up the dog would run. I was always worried when my male cat would make an escape because he had zero fear of dogs.

Now that jack russell can hunt. Catches birds out of the air, stalks and kills moles and voles.


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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2017, 12:44:24 PM »
Generally speaking, male cats are not the hunters.  The female cats are.  The male cats are the protectors and will stay with the group while the females go out and procure food.

Some subtle cues about this.  In a multi-cat home the male cats may protect the toys and keep them away from other cats.  The female cats will observe that behavior and, on occasion, try to take one of the toys to test the skills of the male.

If you ever notice feral cats.  They aggregate.  At night the males will stay behind and protect the young ones while the females go hunting.  During the day, all bets are off.  They may move as one group, they may not.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2017, 01:06:55 PM »
My male cat is the hunter.  He catches, and toys with, the mice.  They can't get away.  My old female cat?  Well, she brings bottle caps to the front door.  Has for 15 years, not a bottle cap in the neighborhood is safe.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2017, 01:12:25 PM »
And there is always one.  With domestic cats it will just depend on the cat.  Instincts have been trampled on a bit, in some breeds.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2017, 02:50:52 PM »
Roy, Both my Siamese and his buddy an angora were trained!

  Fritz,the angora would play fetch,shake a paw and come and give me a kiss on command,Blue the Siamese would play fetch and would jump up on my shoulder on command. It wasnt easy to train them but you can get them to repeat things if they persevere there is a reward in it for them!

 As I said it takes a good dog to handle a cat but all bets are on the dog if it's a large enough terrier.Terriers were bred to rid vermin and often the vermin was bigger than the dog!

 As for vertical,my bullterrier could sit in front of me and jump over my head, I had her grabbing sticks as high as 7 ft. and no squirrel dared come in her yard,there was this suicidal squirrel that would taunt my bully.The silly thing would climb down a tree and try to stay just out of reach,one day I was out with the dog and the next thing I know she had that squirrel,it's in a better place now!! :devil  This was all done without a sound!


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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2017, 02:58:10 PM »
You can absolutely train a cat.  It does take patience and the right cat with the a calm demeanor.

I had a Himalayan who was really easy to train.  I had another Himalayan which was insanely hard to train.  Between the two we have right now, the girl has been pretty easy to work with.  The boy is damn near impossible to work with.  He ADD makes it difficult.

And I am not so sure I want to break him, which is a risk when training them.  He has a very trusting spirit and a crazy level of curiosity.  He just makes us laugh all the time with his antics and he does not have a destructive bone in his body.  He is just a happy kitty.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2017, 04:24:52 PM »
My male cat is the hunter.  He catches, and toys with, the mice.  They can't get away.  My old female cat?  Well, she brings bottle caps to the front door.  Has for 15 years, not a bottle cap in the neighborhood is safe.

I had a cat who was a stone-cold killer of plastic bags.  For a couple of years there would be a small neat pile of sandwich bags near the back door most mornings.  She was nearly deaf (breeding issue I suspect since she was almost pure white) and we got her when we found her hiding terrified in our garage.  She hated being picked up but liked us enough to stick around.  One day she didn't come back, and I suspect the neighborhood owl or a dog snuck up on her one night.  Being mostly deaf and brilliant white is tough for a cat.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2017, 05:07:22 PM »
My youngest is a hoarder of liquor bottle caps.  He senses their presence (I think he just smells whiskey on me and knows there's a cap somewhere).  He then furiously attacks them at 3AM.   :cheers:
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2017, 06:45:23 AM »
My sister has 4 Main Coon cats.  They are massive.

One of them wandered into the next door property where 2 Ridgebacks live and the dogs cornered the cat and attacked it.

They came close to killing the cat.  It was pretty torn up and had deep puncture wounds a few of which perforated it's bowel.  At one point one of the dogs had the cat's head in its mouth and the other had the cat's rear end in its mouth and they were trying to rip it apart.

Cat had to go to the emergency obviously.  But, while at the vet a dog was brought in.  A Ridgeback.  It was a MESS.  The face was ripped to shreds and part of its nose was hanging off.

Too close to call who actually won....but given that it was 2 vs 1 I have to give it to the cat.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2017, 08:56:08 AM »
Maine Coons are massive cats.  I think my Jag has some Maine Coon in him given his size and features.

I think, pound for pound a cat should be able to take a dog simply due to the many ways a cat can shred their victims.  Everything about a cat is designed around the ability to rip flesh apart and do it quickly.

Then again, I have never seen a dog and cat fight.  So I could be full of it.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2017, 02:44:10 PM »
My wife has a Maine Coon.  I say my wife, because it loves her.....me, well lets just say he tolerates my existence somewhat....actually now that I think of it, just like my wife.

His name,  P.Sherman 42 Wallaby Way, Sydney Australia. (don't ask)

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