Current 190 pilots

[JOACH1M]

190A5 is a low key monster. People just don’t know how to fly it. Highest roll rate, decent guns, huge range when backing off RPM and manifold pressure. Good high speed characteristics and views. People just are scared by its “low” air speed

[flippz]

  yall keep crying. its the constant same folks crying that wouldnt dare fight 1v1 and has to fly in country hordes to even manage a kill. its funny the complaint i get because i dive into a group of 4 red planes and one of them cry because he got hoed trying to even the numbers.  if i had to guess in here there is only about 10% in the entire game that will fight 1v1, fx1 being one of them. i spend all day chasing single cons around that run to 2 or 3 of his friends, and when something is said about that the reply i get is whats wrong with that he was flying smart.  bunch of cream puffs man. who cares about the score, you want to control a boat i hardly ever see any one in control of a boat drive that thing around till you water logged.
if you knew the full "story" about why someone ran get both sides usually the one crying about a certain 190 running is because there is 2 or 3 of them so like some one replied to me today "hes playing it smart". just like the ones that cry about getting hoed in the face that wont even take off unless there 3 jugs or a 410 with them. but i guess they just flying smart huh?

[Guppy35]

I don’t think this has anything to do with plane selection. There has been a lot more feast or famine in the MA. Either you’re getting totally raped by a horde or fighting a horde of teammates for the one red guy who engaged.

More and more players are afraid to break away from the pack. Many totally live by the pick and will only fight if you can trap them into doing so. I see it all the time. I could assign names to red icons just by watching how they function in their pack of friends. Usually, when the numbers even out, those same players disappear to another area where they can continue to use greens to set up their kills.

When I see a 38 in the stratosphere above me as I fight, I can add a tag to it and would be right way more than I should be.

When I see a 51 hovering and pouncing only when I start an engagement, missing wildly, then extending, I pretty much know who that is. (There are 3 that fit this bill off the top of my head)

When I see a Corsair on the edges of the fight waiting to attack only with bait. I can guess who that is too. Especially when said Corsair instantly runs to friendly territory/horde if you single it out.

When a see a 190 that doesn’t even come close to a red icon unless it has 10k and 400mph. Yep. I can judge who that is as well.

I don’t know what it is. As Luche alluded to, I don’t think it has as much to do with score as some would think. If I had to guess, it would be the overall skill set of the players we have. I would argue that the average skill level of current players is MUCH higher than it was 5+ years ago. You have a bunch of stone cold killers running around in the game and, to feel more competitive, they’re reverting to some pretty nooblike tactics to feel competitive. When you mix that in with the lower numbers, I feel like it contributes to the disturbing trend that two teams seem to always beating up on the third.

While my 38G has been gathering rust for a while, I would suggest if you saw a low 38 with a smoking engine shedding parts, it would be easily identifiable too! 20+ years of cartoon airplanes and no one has killed me yet!

[FESS67]

yall keep crying. its the constant same folks crying that wouldnt dare fight 1v1 and has to fly in country hordes to even manage a kill. its funny the complaint i get because i dive into a group of 4 red planes and one of them cry because he got hoed trying to even the numbers.  if i had to guess in here there is only about 10% in the entire game that will fight 1v1, fx1 being one of them. i spend all day chasing single cons around that run to 2 or 3 of his friends, and when something is said about that the reply i get is whats wrong with that he was flying smart.  bunch of cream puffs man. who cares about the score, you want to control a boat i hardly ever see any one in control of a boat drive that thing around till you water logged.
if you knew the full "story" about why someone ran get both sides usually the one crying about a certain 190 running is because there is 2 or 3 of them so like some one replied to me today "hes playing it smart". just like the ones that cry about getting hoed in the face that wont even take off unless there 3 jugs or a 410 with them. but i guess they just flying smart huh?

You fly a yak3 or a spitfire and you cry when a P47 or a P51 does not go hard and turn with you.  They never will, because they can't.  But here is the piece of the puzzle you seem to not get, it is not you, it is the plane.  You get upset all the time at me, you even challenged and we went to the DA.  You chose your preferred ride and you lost.  I left after 2 rounds because there was no talking to you, you are full of venom yet you have never taken a 51 and turned with a spit.  You are an aggressive, capable fighter but your anger beats you.  You would be amazed at how many people could hand you your bellybutton in a same plane duel, That is just not the way the MA works.

[JOACH1M]

yall keep crying. its the constant same folks crying that wouldnt dare fight 1v1 and has to fly in country hordes to even manage a kill. its funny the complaint i get because i dive into a group of 4 red planes and one of them cry because he got hoed trying to even the numbers.  if i had to guess in here there is only about 10% in the entire game that will fight 1v1, fx1 being one of them. i spend all day chasing single cons around that run to 2 or 3 of his friends, and when something is said about that the reply i get is whats wrong with that he was flying smart.  bunch of cream puffs man. who cares about the score, you want to control a boat i hardly ever see any one in control of a boat drive that thing around till you water logged.
if you knew the full "story" about why someone ran get both sides usually the one crying about a certain 190 running is because there is 2 or 3 of them so like some one replied to me today "hes playing it smart". just like the ones that cry about getting hoed in the face that wont even take off unless there 3 jugs or a 410 with them. but i guess they just flying smart huh?

holy sentence structure bruh

[JOACH1M]

You fly a yak3 or a spitfire and you cry when a P47 or a P51 does not go hard and turn with you.  They never will, because they can't.  But here is the piece of the puzzle you seem to not get, it is not you, it is the plane.  You get upset all the time at me, you even challenged and we went to the DA.  You chose your preferred ride and you lost.  I left after 2 rounds because there was no talking to you, you are full of venom yet you have never taken a 51 and turned with a spit.  You are an aggressive, capable fighter but your anger beats you.  You would be amazed at how many people could hand you your bellybutton in a same plane duel, That is just not the way the MA works.

homestly I haven’t seen flippz In something other than a spit or yak like u said. But then again it don’t matter. Ol boy struggles to put a shot on me. 

[nrshida]

I am utterly convinced that the huge majority of players don't really care about score. Else it would not be so easy to propel your rank up by several hundred by just doing just one or two additional "special sorties" per tour.

I often kill people who fly like Steven Seagal runs and sometimes you notice their rank and go: 

I think the present component-based stats are too detached from reality to be meaningful. That's why manipulating elements of it are possible. More interesting and representative would be combinations of statistics (including factoring the player density). And then don't publish the individual stats. Then you might get an emergent property. Actually if I were HTC I'd hire you part-time. 

Spit14 can’t handle what either plane can throw maneuver wise.

Only because of the relative modelling.

Just fly something people want to attack.   

Yeah fly a Mosquito in a -e starting state and they literally queue up and drop out of engagements to come for you. Bloody hard work to fight in though. Very rewarding up to nearly 3% of the time.

[JOACH1M]

Shida, the spit14 is simply not used in a way where it is effective.

[nrshida]

Shida, the spit14 is simply not used in a way where it is effective.

Yes and good luck trying with its extremely poor handling and engine characteristics. To think it was once perked 

[Ack-Ack]

Spit14 can’t handle what either plane can throw maneuver wise.

Here is a good article on Spitfire Mk XIV versus the Me 109G/K series at Spitfire Performance.

Spitfire Mk XIV versus Me 109G/K

[nrshida]

Here is a good article on Spitfire Mk XIV versus the Me 109G/K series at Spitfire Performance.

Spitfire Mk XIV versus Me 109G/K

What the HELL!!!!!

[nrshida]

Oh and the final insult. Just logged into the MA to give the 14 another whirl and I can't fly it. Planes with ENY lower than 6 are not allowed (Spit14 is 5) but I could up a K-4 no problem (ENY 15), outclimb a Spit14 anyway and for a full ten minutes, enough WEP to forget about it AND comfortably out-manouevre an F6F, a Corsair and a Spit16 while I was about it. 

[flippz]

You fly a yak3 or a spitfire and you cry when a P47 or a P51 does not go hard and turn with you.  They never will, because they can't.  But here is the piece of the puzzle you seem to not get, it is not you, it is the plane.  You get upset all the time at me, you even challenged and we went to the DA.  You chose your preferred ride and you lost.  I left after 2 rounds because there was no talking to you, you are full of venom yet you have never taken a 51 and turned with a spit.  You are an aggressive, capable fighter but your anger beats you.  You would be amazed at how many people could hand you your bellybutton in a same plane duel, That is just not the way the MA works.

no see you don't get it.  there are plenty of planes that are yaks spits las a6ms that refuse to fight until there ack or the numbers improve.  I don't get mad because a 51 or a 190 will not fight me. I get mad when I chase one of the sissy planes until I find another plane to tangle with then they swoop back in for the kill.  you being one of those people.  and to top it off is you are a better pilot than most so why should you have to pack fly like that and pick like (I don't think you are but you seem too).
why do fly a plane you will not fight anything in?  what if ever one flew like that? and to answer your question yes I have several times taken a 51 and turned fought in it, not the best but if I fly a plane I will engage anyone in that plane BECAUSE THIS IS A GAME AND YOU DONT REALLY DIE WHEN YOU GET SHOT SOWN AND YOUR SCORE DOES NOT MEAN S@$@ TO ANYONE OUT SIDE THIS GAME AND DOES NOT MEAN S^&^* TO MANY IN THIS GAME. 

[flippz]

homestly I haven’t seen flippz In something other than a spit or yak like u said. But then again it don’t matter. Ol boy struggles to put a shot on me. 

holy autocorrect
again a better pilot boasting

[nrshida]

Back on topic a tremendous amount of Judgemental complaints in the MA this afternoon. From three separate sources.