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Offline Ripsnort

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Re: 1911 3inch
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2018, 03:47:35 PM »
How do you intend to carry it?

I would never carry a 1911 cocked and locked other than in a holster.  Seen too many instances of people AD'ing themselves.  Heck I wouldn't carry it with a round in the chamber that way either, frankly.   Plenty of good options out there for carry rigs.

If not cocked and locked, might as well carry a rock in your pocket.

The Colt 1911 has two safeties, a grip safety which pressure has to be applied. And the thumb safety.

Edit: Oh, didn't see your "other than a holster" comment. Yes, agree. Cocked and locked, one chambered if in a holster.
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Re: 1911 3inch
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2018, 04:30:56 PM »
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I lost it on Sunday quail hunting. No way I am going to find it. We covered a 900 acre pasture and the grass is high.

I started to carry after my dog had a run in with a pig and her piglets last month. She pointed at a large group of catus and I knew something was up when she looked back at me. We backed out but I could only imagine what would have happen if she got in the middle of a large sow and her piglets.

28ga would have just kissed her off.

Normally I have a rifle in the buggie and their isn't a replacement for being armed at all times.

I carry my large 2011 ready to go. Thumb safety on and one in the chamber. Its hard for me to not have a loaded gun. Many times I have screwed up not having a round in the chamber.

I like the idea of having the same grip angle and safety. I was a glock fan but spending extra money on triggers and spring sets offsets the cost on a perfect pistol out of the box.


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Re: 1911 3inch
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2018, 04:35:53 PM »
Fair advice, but...   It sounds like grouping isn't the main criteria.   

He's wanting it to put down wounded game he comes across.   Think, whacking a Javelina and it's still up.   Pow pow, in the head, close range.   That's how I read it.

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Re: 1911 3inch
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2018, 05:02:15 PM »
My business was the distributor nationally here in Canada for both the Kimber and STI handguns from the late 90s to mid/late 2000s, and while 3" were under the legal limit to import here, I've shot a lot of the Kimber micro 1911s as their HQ was just South of us in Calgary down into Montana and I was there pretty much every month on business for years.  Either company makes a decent 3" 1911, just be aware that in my experience when you get down to those really short sub Commander length barrel 1911s, the pickier they become regarding ammunition.  That isn't to say you can't find extremely reliable ammunition in all types, be it defensive or FMJ/Etc loads, you just need to do some research and test shooting with whatever you buy.

Like others have said, just be sure it's comfortable for you to shoot with, and you should be fine - if you already shoot a 1911 well, and most should as I've found it's grip's dimensions, angles, ergos, etc, to be about the most universally comfortable and compatible of any handgun, you certainly shouldn't expect any issues with the 3" micro 1911 type handguns.

STI overall make/made excellent 1911s.  I put a lot of Winchester 230 gr white box .45 through a couple STI 1911s I had, easily a case a month through each for a couple years when instructing, training at other schools, and competing until my company (Sig) came out with their own line of 1911s. 

Kimber on the other hand did have some QC issues in later years, I'm not all that current on that state of affairs, as when we first carried their line they were easily the most trouble free units of everything we sold other than perhaps Sig's 226 line.  I'm talking about 1000s of Kimbers sold, and 100s of thousands of rounds on our rental line through Super Matches, Gold Matches, Kimber IIs, etc, with the lowest number of parts and catastrophic failures of anything other than the 226s we ran which it was a draw with in that department.  As they grew and expanded something happened, but today, from all I've heard and read it isn't that hard to find a good quality Kimber 1911, just check it out closely before you buy it.

Whatever you buy, again, really check it out, if you look at Kimbers check the barrel crown, the fit and finish, and look around the chamber areas for rough tooling work and marks, that sort of thing.  It's pretty easy to find the "Monday and Friday" built guns in any line if you take your time and do proper inspection.  I've seen Smith 1911s that looked like the barrels were cut with a hacksaw, and others in the same batch that shot darts and felt smooth as a sewing machine and would group 1.5 inch groups at 25m all day off a bench.  Same with STI, although typically it's harder to find a "bad" one, they still are capable of producing a lemon, so really, really inspect the crap out of whatever you decide to purchase.  While your purpose sounds like long range shots aren't all that important, good quality should be something you always demand in any firearm you plan to use, and who knows, you may need to make a shot on a charging hog or other dangerous animals someday with that 3" handgun.

Last thing, you're absolutely going to notice more muzzle flip and general recoil with a 3", I'm sure that's obvious, but until you shoot one, you'll not realize how much more you need to adjust your shooting and timing compared to a 5" standard 1911 using similar ammunition.  It's no big deal IMO, anyone with good fundamentals can handle and adjust to it.
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Re: 1911 3inch
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2018, 05:44:46 PM »
Sound is a issue. I was ok with the g43 for a couple of shots. The 45 might be noticeably louder. Most of the time I do the one arm over the head. Bicep closing one ear finger in the other ear.

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Re: 1911 3inch
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2018, 05:51:16 PM »
147 gr 9mm worked awesome. Great recoil in a short barrel.

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Re: 1911 3inch
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2018, 11:24:49 PM »
If not cocked and locked, might as well carry a rock in your pocket.
The Colt 1911 has two safeties, a grip safety which pressure has to be applied. And the thumb safety.

Edit: Oh, didn't see your "other than a holster" comment. Yes, agree. Cocked and locked, one chambered if in a holster.

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Re: 1911 3inch
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2018, 09:29:52 AM »
One of my friends recently bought a new colt defender. 45 3 in. and I hate it and it's 3 times louder than my old .45 which is only like 1 1/2 in longer barrel....


It's a fact that the 3" .45s double as flashbangs.  They really aren't intended for extended target practice.

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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2018, 10:17:03 AM »

It's a fact that the 3" .45s double as flashbangs.  They really aren't intended for extended target practice.

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And this highlights the problem with the whole make-them-smaller craze: physics.   Lighter may feel good to carry around but they’re not so fun to shoot. 

I’m a tall guy with large hands.   You get much smaller than a Sig 239 and it just doesn’t feel good to hold.  Having your pinky finger floating in space is hardly reassuring.

I’ve been shooting the 229 since 1996.   Beretta 92/96 since 1990.  I’ve stuck with them so long they’re completely intuitive.   Like driving an old car. 

They’re big.  They have heft.   And I can shoot them all day without feeling like I beat myself up.  Carrying them is a breeze.   I don’t even notice the weight.   The 239 is even better in that regard and still shoots softly.  Again, weight matters.  Something to think about. 
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Re: 1911 3inch
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2018, 05:15:59 PM »
Sti duty one or escort is what I am looking at. I had a couple kimbers and they didn't like all ammo. Still have spring kits for those guns.

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Re: 1911 3inch
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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2018, 08:50:49 PM »
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STI duty one in 9mm. It was a gunsmith build and he purchased it on their employee sale. He said there is only a handful of these floating around and he did all the slide work. Only test fired.

Cost was $750. I had about the same into my g43.

Thinking about having the slide milled for a rmr or some other red dot. I have found that night sights aren't worth the money and it comes down to a red dot with a good light.

I have red dots on all my pistols and highly recommend anyone to spend the money.


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Re: 1911 3inch
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2018, 10:45:08 AM »

It's a fact that the 3" .45s double as flashbangs.  They really aren't intended for extended target practice.

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Way back in a galaxy far away and more decades ago than I want to admit to, when I was a new rookie Officer, my department required us to shoot 38's. They would provide the pistol. model 15 S&W, usually loose as a goose and if you shook it sounded like a car with gravel in the hubcaps. We used "practice" ammo for qualification but did once a year to rotate the ammo you were issued, shoot our duty ammo, Super Vel 125 gr. That stuff from a 4" gun would put out a ball of fire 4' across and 6' long. From a snub nosed detective special you could see the flash from space, in the daytime. If you were on night shift, and I was for most of my first 5 years, you had to qualify at night. On the times you shot the duty ammo at night you had damn well better be on target the first shot because after that you were just shooting the flash images on your retinas.
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2018, 11:10:32 AM »
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Re: 1911 3inch
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2018, 11:33:17 AM »
Way back in a galaxy far away and more decades ago than I want to admit to, when I was a new rookie Officer, my department required us to shoot 38's. They would provide the pistol. model 15 S&W, usually loose as a goose and if you shook it sounded like a car with gravel in the hubcaps. We used "practice" ammo for qualification but did once a year to rotate the ammo you were issued, shoot our duty ammo, Super Vel 125 gr. That stuff from a 4" gun would put out a ball of fire 4' across and 6' long. From a snub nosed detective special you could see the flash from space, in the daytime. If you were on night shift, and I was for most of my first 5 years, you had to qualify at night. On the times you shot the duty ammo at night you had damn well better be on target the first shot because after that you were just shooting the flash images on your retinas.

But you guys were still on horseback then weren't you?  :D :D :D