Dashcam footage released Uber Volvo XC accident in AZ

[Skuzzy]

According to Uber, here are the sensor layouts and types.


If they are being truthful about the sensor package, there is no way that lady could have gotten in front of that car without it knowing about long before she got there.

[Wiley]

According to Uber, here are the sensor layouts and types.
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If they are being truthful about the sensor package, there is no way that lady could have gotten in front of that car without it knowing about long before she got there.

I'd be curious to see the recording of what the system thought was going on there.

Although I just noticed this was in the Daily Fail, so I now doubt the existence of Arizona and pedestrians...

I just saw the part of the video showing the driver.  Kind of illustrates the problem with an autonomous system.  If you're paying enough attention to be effective in that role, what's the point of not being in control?  I've often wondered why they don't do up some kind of system that basically does augmented reality through some kind of HUD on the windshield.  Infrared and/or night vision to improve the driver's awareness type stuff.

Wiley.

[Vulcan]

If they are being truthful about the sensor package, there is no way that lady could have gotten in front of that car without it knowing about long before she got there.

Unless they have reached true autonomy and the cars - like the rest of us drivers - hate cyclists.

[ToeTag]

[Skuzzy]

Unless they have reached true autonomy and the cars - like the rest of us drivers - hate cyclists.

There is always that.  This could be the first robot kill we have witnessed as they grow tired of their human overlords.

[Nefarious]

There is always that.  This could be the first robot kill we have witnessed as they grow tired of their human overlords.

Skynet!

[Wiley]

There is always that.  This could be the first robot kill we have witnessed as they grow tired of their human overlords.

That sounds entirely too plausible.  I know I've read in the past how the vehicles were having trouble with cyclists due to unpredictability.  This incident paints that in a completely different light.

Wiley.

[SysError]

Decide who lives and who dies. The Moral Machineacademic

"A platform for public participation in and discussion of the human perspective on machine-made moral decisions"

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Some of the results I got (from a few years ago..  Perhaps I should take it again to see changes....)

Most Saved Character: Reg guy
Most Killed Character: Fat Guy
Saving More Lives: Matter a Lot (to me)
Protecting Passengers: almost 50 - 50
Upholding the Law: A little less than other people
Avoiding Intervention:  A less than other people
Gender Preference: Females by a bit (i think it means preferr to save save females more than males.)

[Volron]

So no one is going to question the fact that that *ahem* "person" was crossing in the middle of nowhere IN THE DARK while wearing DARK clothing, with NO reflectors that I could see on the bike or on her person, AND taking her sweet time in a 45MPH zone???

Yeah, no.  Scratch one stupid.  I see this a LOT in my line of work, and quite frankly, I have no sympathy for that cyclist/pedestrian.

THAT being said, I would've thought they would have something better to work with on that vehicle.  If the car is operating off of a camera like the one used in the dash cam, it's a surprise this hasn't happened sooner.  You don't see her till she's practically under the car.  You'd think they would have much better camera's and/or THERMAL camera's for situations like this.  Still needs work, as what is provided to us shows me that left lane was clear, so car could've evaded.

[Wiley]

So no one is going to question the fact that that *ahem* "person" was crossing in the middle of nowhere IN THE DARK while wearing DARK clothing, with NO reflectors that I could see on the bike or on her person, AND taking her sweet time in a 45MPH zone???

Yeah, no.  Scratch one stupid.  I see this a LOT in my line of work, and quite frankly, I have no sympathy for that cyclist/pedestrian.

THAT being said, I would've thought they would have something better to work with on that vehicle.  If the car is operating off of a camera like the one used in the dash cam, it's a surprise this hasn't happened sooner.  You don't see her till she's practically under the car.  You'd think they would have much better camera's and/or THERMAL camera's for situations like this.  Still needs work, as what is provided to us shows me that left lane was clear, so car could've evaded.

Well, that's kind of the point isn't it?  An autonomous vehicle is relatively easy as long as nothing unexpected happens.  People and animals do stupid things.  Sometimes, there's just a large hunk of metal in the middle of the road for no good reason.

I agree with you that if what was on that camera was what the vehicle was able to see, then it's not a good system but per Skuzzy's picture upthread, that shouldn't be the case.

I sure wouldn't want to be the driver though.

Wiley.

[Volron]

The fact they are bringing the driver's past into this just shows that they really have nothing.  Sadly, there are enough stupid out there that will take that bait.  Yeah, I feel bad for the driver.

[Wiley]

The fact they are bringing the driver's past into this just shows that they really have nothing.  Sadly, there are enough stupid out there that will take that bait.  Yeah, I feel bad for the driver.

IMO the video's pretty damning with her having her eyes down like they were.

Depending on what was actually visible in the headlights though, if what the dashcam captured actually was what was visible it changes things a lot.  The vehicle was over driving the headlights and there wasn't a thing the driver could've done, even if they had F1 driver reflexes.  I doubt people will see that though and nobody will ever know.

Wiley.

[100Coogn]

So no one is going to question the fact that that *ahem* "person" was crossing in the middle of nowhere IN THE DARK while wearing DARK clothing, with NO reflectors that I could see on the bike or on her person, AND taking her sweet time in a 45MPH zone???

Yeah, no.  Scratch one stupid.  I see this a LOT in my line of work, and quite frankly, I have no sympathy for that cyclist/pedestrian.

THAT being said, I would've thought they would have something better to work with on that vehicle.  If the car is operating off of a camera like the one used in the dash cam, it's a surprise this hasn't happened sooner.  You don't see her till she's practically under the car.  You'd think they would have much better camera's and/or THERMAL camera's for situations like this.  Still needs work, as what is provided to us shows me that left lane was clear, so car could've evaded.

So the penalty for jaywalking goes from a misdemeanor to insta-death..   

Coogan

[Volron]

So the penalty for jaywalking goes from a misdemeanor to insta-death..   

Coogan

If that is how you want to take it, be my guest.  You are either fishing, or you haven't actually watched the video.

[Vraciu]

There is always that.  This could be the first robot kill we have witnessed as they grow tired of their human overlords.

Open the pod bay doors, Hal.