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Offline SilverZ06

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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #105 on: May 14, 2018, 11:14:29 AM »
I think its edited for effect as there was a second or two before the explosion and the news team decided to just cut out the pause for dramatic crash effect. Crappy, but it's how the news industry works.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #106 on: May 14, 2018, 11:25:19 AM »
I think you hit the nail on the head.

Yep.  People don’t have attention spans long enough to wait that two seconds anymore.
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #107 on: May 14, 2018, 11:52:23 AM »
Any chance you were stationed at Elmendorf AFB in the early 70s?  I'm still looking for the Phantom guy that blew my hootch down with a low pass near Fort Yukon.

No, it wasn’t me...... :rofl.  I probably know him though.

But, there is a dude somewhere in Egypt near Cairo West AB that’s telling his grand children about an F-4E that dusted him off with a 480 kt pass.   And we’re not going to talk about the flare that inadvertently bounced off the hood of his WWII two deuce and a half.  :uhoh

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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #108 on: May 14, 2018, 11:55:38 AM »
No, it wasn’t me...... :rofl.  I probably know him though.

But, there is a dude somewhere in Egypt near Cairo West AB that’s telling his grand children about an F-4E that dusted him off with a 480 kt pass.   And we’re not going to talk about the flare that inadvertently bounced off the hood of his WWII two deuce and a half.  :uhoh

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Oh there's a story here......................... ..    :noid
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #109 on: May 14, 2018, 12:21:45 PM »
I think its edited for effect as there was a second or two before the explosion and the news team decided to just cut out the pause for dramatic crash effect. Crappy, but it's how the news industry works.

It always good to remember that the news media shows you what they want you to see, and that’s through a soda straw.  Best to not believe anything seen from news media unless you were there and saw it for yourself.

Hysteria and human tragedy sell, not good news.



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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #110 on: May 14, 2018, 12:28:16 PM »
It always good to remember that the news media shows you what they want you to see, and that’s through a soda straw.  Best to not believe anything seen from news media unless you were there and saw it for yourself.

Hysteria and human tragedy sell, not good news.

Also, the media is clueless and inept.   When they cover something I am *NOT* well versed in I often imagine how wrong they are based on their awful track record in areas I consider myself to have some expertise in.  A healthy dose of skepticism is a good thing where they're concerned.
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #111 on: May 14, 2018, 12:55:15 PM »
Best to not believe anything seen from news media unless you were there and saw it for yourself.


I witnessed a fatal stall, spin and burn crash.  I also helped put the fire out, recovered the remains and did the report on the crash.  After getting back to the station a few hours later I get a call from a newspaper reporter wanting to interview me.  I explained that I would be happy to talk to her BUT department policy required it to be approved thru management.  She came back with "But you witnessed the crash didn't you?" to which I responded yes and told her to get approval thru the boss and we could talk.

The next day when I get to work at 4PM I have to see the Chief first thing who starts chewing my butt for talking to the press....he shows me the article in which I was quoted as saying a bunch of crap I didn't say and wouldn't have used the terms used in the article.

When I called the paper several times over the next few days the reporter "wasn't available".  That was in 1980, I still won't buy their newspaper.
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #112 on: May 14, 2018, 01:09:06 PM »
I witnessed a fatal stall, spin and burn crash.  I also helped put the fire out, recovered the remains and did the report on the crash.  After getting back to the station a few hours later I get a call from a newspaper reporter wanting to interview me.  I explained that I would be happy to talk to her BUT department policy required it to be approved thru management.  She came back with "But you witnessed the crash didn't you?" to which I responded yes and told her to get approval thru the boss and we could talk.

The next day when I get to work at 4PM I have to see the Chief first thing who starts chewing my butt for talking to the press....he shows me the article in which I was quoted as saying a bunch of crap I didn't say and wouldn't have used the terms used in the article.

When I called the paper several times over the next few days the reporter "wasn't available".  That was in 1980, I still won't buy their newspaper.

Point proven.  Thanks!

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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #113 on: May 14, 2018, 01:20:06 PM »
I witnessed a fatal stall, spin and burn crash.  I also helped put the fire out, recovered the remains and did the report on the crash.  After getting back to the station a few hours later I get a call from a newspaper reporter wanting to interview me.  I explained that I would be happy to talk to her BUT department policy required it to be approved thru management.  She came back with "But you witnessed the crash didn't you?" to which I responded yes and told her to get approval thru the boss and we could talk.

The next day when I get to work at 4PM I have to see the Chief first thing who starts chewing my butt for talking to the press....he shows me the article in which I was quoted as saying a bunch of crap I didn't say and wouldn't have used the terms used in the article.

When I called the paper several times over the next few days the reporter "wasn't available".  That was in 1980, I still won't buy their newspaper.

I had the same thing happen.   There was a bankruptcy/merger thing going on back after 9-11.   Company policy was no interviews allowed.   Some reporters caught me at an outstation gate while I was waiting for the jet to pull in.   They started asking questions and my Captain slithered off because she could tell what the game was.   I was relatively new but I also understood the rules. 

I politely declined to answer questions.  Then came the famous, "Okay off the record."   I said, "You cannot quote me on anything I say, but basically company A bought company B, the planes will be repainted, and it will be business as usual."

Next day, nasty phone call from the Chief Pilot chewing my arse off for giving an interview.    When the first wave of jets came back in that morning there were half a dozen copies of the paper--with a full page article extensively "quoting" me--distributed liberally about the crew room.   Took a long time to live that one down! 
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #114 on: May 14, 2018, 03:16:21 PM »
Yeah it was you and 2 others right over A35, I dodged y'all 3 times and you drilled me sliding down the run way about to hit .ef. was not hit before then. Y'all were the last 4 bishop on the map.... Oh well.  I don't need to play that kind of game.


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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #115 on: May 14, 2018, 04:46:40 PM »
Eh you lost. Take the L like a man. Would have lost straight up anyways.

Yeah, getting gang vulched landing 3-1 with 0 cannons and no way to escape is really losing!! The last 4 bishop left on the map...Crazy, ack didn't even touch them.. sigh. I just call it like I see it.  I was literally sliding on the runway about to hit .ef and they couldn't help themselves. Desperate game play if you ask me.... Just sayin..
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #116 on: May 14, 2018, 05:22:21 PM »
Colombo.   I was 150 miles west of Anchorage at Sparrevon AFB from December 1975 to December 1976.
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #117 on: May 14, 2018, 06:25:37 PM »
Yeah, getting gang vulched landing 3-1 with 0 cannons and no way to escape is really losing!! The last 4 bishop left on the map...Crazy, ack didn't even touch them.. sigh. I just call it like I see it.  I was literally sliding on the runway about to hit .ef and they couldn't help themselves. Desperate game play if you ask me.... Just sayin..

A kill is a kill.   Your SA failed you.

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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #118 on: May 14, 2018, 06:43:10 PM »
A kill is a kill.   Your SA failed you.

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There is no SA when you are trying to get home and get ganged by 3 cons hovering over your base. Would I have liked a radio call. .. sure. Nothing else you can do..
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #119 on: May 14, 2018, 06:48:46 PM »


There is no SA when you are trying to get home and get ganged by 3 cons hovering over your base. Would I have liked a radio call. .. sure. Nothing else you can do..

You had friendlies all over the place, bruh.  We were fighting our way out of a beehive.   Five of us were in that area and only two of us made it home.   Some days you are the dog, some days you are the hydrant.

Sawzaw got ganged 3:1 before I could get to him.  I haven't seen him complaining on the boards about it.
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