Carrying capacity of the Earth

[Vraciu]

See Rule #14

[Vraciu]

Largest solar power plant generates 850 MW/year.
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To produce all the electricity (globally) with solar power alone you need an area about the size of Spain.

And as I said: triboelectric generators. They can produce energy from low frequency oscillations like wind or waves much more efficient so even a regular flag can produce electricity. Having powerplants in the oceans could be a solution. An area of 400 x 400 km can produce electricity for the entire world.
http://www.lauriewinkless.com/sea-snake-triboelectric-generator-could-harvest-ocean-wave-energy/

No way.  Not even with 24 hours of sun and clear skies. 

We have Nuke plants that generate more in one hour than a solar plant can generate in a week and we still suffer brownouts and such. 

Technology will improve solar but it will never approach that power capacity.

[TWCAxew]

It’s all a hoax.  Rising sea levels.  Lol.

The earth gets hotter.  The earth gets colder.   It’s a cycle.  Where were the SUVs that melted the glaciers we had in North America?   And where did they grow from when they had receded past Greenland?


I’ve studied this stuff for four decades.  It’s mass hysteria driven by unethical research funded for political purposes.   They’ve been caught in their own lies numerous times on this stuff yet the drumbeat continues.   People can be sheep if they want.  Not me.   Science is not agenda-based consensus. 

The planet is fine, and we can’t do anything about it any way.

Okay well, let's say your right. What would be the issue in putting recourses in fighting these causes even if it does not help. Would we really be worse off?

Now let's say i am right and we do nothing? We would be screwed. We basically already are because not enough is happening right now in these crucial years the reverse climate change or saving animal habitats duo to dying corral reaves, dessartation in North China or deforestation.

In my country (which is below sea level) there are poles everywhere in the water where you can measure the water levels yourself. Trust me water levels are higher now.

(I am not denying the cycle btw, I am saying it's sped up tremendously)

DutchVII

[Vraciu]

Okay well, let's say your right. What would be the issue in putting recourses in fighting these causes even if it does not help. Would we really be worse off?

Now let's say i am right and we do nothing? We would be screwed. We basically already are because not enough is happening right now in these crucial years the reverse climate change or saving animal habitats duo to dying corral reaves, dessartation in North China or deforestation.

In my country (which is below sea level) there are poles everywhere in the water where you can measure the water levels yourself. Trust me water levels are higher now.

(I am not denying the cycle btw, I am saying it's sped up tremendously)

DutchVII

If fighting the “cause” hurts the lifestyle of the populace for no benefit then it shouldn’t be done. 

I’m all for saving habitat, increasing efficiency, reducing waste, etc.   As I said, I’m an ecologist and a conservationist, not an environmentalist. 

The best way to achieve these goals is to INCREASE global standard of living, not reduce it.   Education is important.  When I was a kid people thought nothing of throwing trash out the window while driving.  Now almost nobody does it because an information campaign put the thought in the public’s mind that clean beats littered. 

I’ve studied this stuff my whole life and at the end of the day we are not going to make things better by turning into a bunch of Chicken Littles. 

The cycle is measured in centuries (millennia) not years.   You don’t have the data to know which way it’s going yet, never mind the speed of reversal.

Water levels are higher now compared to what?   When your country was underwater?  It happened before it will happen again.   Move. 

[Zimme83]

Okay well, let's say your right. What would be the issue in putting recourses in fighting these causes even if it does not help. Would we really be worse off?

Now let's say i am right and we do nothing? We would be screwed. We basically already are because not enough is happening right now in these crucial years the reverse climate change or saving animal habitats duo to dying corral reaves, dessartation in North China or deforestation.

In my country (which is below sea level) there are poles everywhere in the water where you can measure the water levels yourself. Trust me water levels are higher now.

(I am not denying the cycle btw, I am saying it's sped up tremendously)

DutchVII

Its the same thing as with flat earthers, no amount of evidence will change his mind. No point of wasting the time.

[Vraciu]

Its the same thing as with flat earthers, no amount of evidence will change his mind. No point of wasting the time.

That’s quite condescending.   The skepticism of a Flat Earther sure beats the cliff jumping acceptance of a lemming any day, I will say that. 

Your own research was FAKED to “prove” your point.  Your side was busted in a lie multiple times, faking research, manipulating data, and “forcing” the models to arrive at a pre-conceived conclusion.  That’s not science, that’s an agenda.

How much time did you spend in the study of ecology?   Wildlife management?  Habitat restoration?    Zero I’m sure.   

I think in terms of eons not years.   The planet has been around a looooong time and our tiny little snapshot of an instant in time where we had a hot summer five or ten years ago doesn’t mean the planet is burning up.   It’s not.

The planet is fine.  It’s certainly not Canada and the USA that are the problem.  It’s India, China, Pakistan, Nigeria, etc. where improvement and efficiency are needed.

[Zimme83]

That’s quite condescending.   The skepticism of a  Flat Earther sure beats the cliff jumping acceptance of a lemming any day, I will say that. 

Your own research was FAKED to “prove” your point. 

I think in terms of eons not years.   The planet has been around a looooong time and our tiny little snapshot of an instant in time where we had a hot summer ten years ago doesn’t mean the planet is burning up.

When you are arguing against objective fact like the rising sea levels, then you are a lost cause. I dont want global warming to be real either, it would be a lot easier if it wasnt. But unfortunately the evidence suggests otherwise and then the logical thing to do is to accept the reality and start working to avoid the worst case scenarios. 

[Zimme83]

If you can present objective scientific evidence that proves that all the climate scientists are wrong then i might change my mind. But when you are up against NASA, ESA and a ton of other organizations then you are losing the fight.

[Vraciu]

When you are arguing against objective fact like the rising sea levels, then you are a lost cause. I dont want global warming to be real either, it would be a lot easier if it wasnt. But unfortunately the evidence suggests otherwise and then the logical thing to do is to accept the reality and start working to avoid the worst case scenarios.

Sea levels rise and fall.  That’s a normal part of the way the earth works. 

“Evidence” that is faked and/or shown completely out of proportion to what it should mean.   

Global warming happened before and will happen again, just like global cooling.  Man has no control over it. 

[Zimme83]

Start argue with them then:
https://climate.nasa.gov/

[Vraciu]

If you can present objective scientific evidence that proves that all the climate scientists are wrong then i might change my mind. But when you are up against NASA, ESA and a ton of other organizations then you are losing the fight.

Organizations that were caught FAKING DATA.


You obviously missed that little scandal. 


There is no global warming.  We are actually entering a cooling cycle due to reduced solar activity.

[Zimme83]

Organizations that were caught FAKING DATA.


You obviously missed that little scandal. 


There is no global warming.  We are actually entering a cooling cycle due to reduced solar activity.

Payed scientists and fake data.. You sound awfully lot like a conspiracy theorist.

[Vraciu]

See Rule #14

[Vraciu]

Payed scientists and fake data.. You sound awfully lot like a conspiracy theorist.

I guess infecting people with syphillis for “science” was a conspiracy theory. 

Lol.

The faked data was widely published about five years ago.  Short memories. 

[Vraciu]

https://science.house.gov/news/press-releases/former-noaa-scientist-confirms-colleagues-manipulated-climate-records

And it wasn’t just them.  NASA did it numerous times, including 2005 to say it was the hottest year ever.  A lie.

Dozens of these scandals have been exposed over the years.  Too many to list.   The CRU email hack being the most high profile. Mann’s Hockey Stick Lie is a big one, too, due to its public profile.