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Re: Carrying capacity of the Earth
« Reply #180 on: July 29, 2018, 05:25:12 PM »
Magnets are not a source of energy.

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Re: Carrying capacity of the Earth
« Reply #181 on: July 29, 2018, 05:45:22 PM »
Magnets are not a source of energy.

Of course not. Everybody knows they are a cure for arthritis!
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« Reply #182 on: July 29, 2018, 09:31:16 PM »
Magnets make bending robots sing folk music  :old:
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Re: Carrying capacity of the Earth
« Reply #183 on: July 30, 2018, 04:03:35 AM »
A brief check reveals that a wind turbine needs 6-9 months to produce the energy needed to build it.
A 4MW pland producing electricity for 5 hours a day in 5 years will deliver around 36 GWh . That is enough to build a lot of wind turbines.

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Re: Carrying capacity of the Earth
« Reply #184 on: July 30, 2018, 04:55:01 AM »
A brief check reveals that a wind turbine needs 6-9 months to produce the energy needed to build it.
A 4MW pland producing electricity for 5 hours a day in 5 years will deliver around 36 GWh . That is enough to build a lot of wind turbines.

Ok, it looks like the wind turbine energy debt was a widely spread myth.  It terms of equivalence, it takes 450 tons of coal to produce a 2 megawatt wind turbine. 

Solar panels have now reached the break even mark on energy debt.
https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-04/solar-panels-now-make-more-electricity-they-use
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Re: Carrying capacity of the Earth
« Reply #185 on: July 30, 2018, 03:55:50 PM »
Magnets are not a source of energy.

Magnetism can be used to generate power. Here's a very small concept design that shows how it works. https://youtu.be/jiAhiu6UqXQ No harmful waste, no pollutants, no crazy tech. The biggest problem is that energy companies will burn down your Warehouse if they catch you trying to sell it, or any other perpetual motor energy that you cant be billed monthly for. It's happened.
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Re: Carrying capacity of the Earth
« Reply #186 on: July 30, 2018, 04:54:18 PM »
Magnetism can be used to generate power. Here's a very small concept design that shows how it works. https://youtu.be/jiAhiu6UqXQ No harmful waste, no pollutants, no crazy tech. The biggest problem is that energy companies will burn down your Warehouse if they catch you trying to sell it, or any other perpetual motor energy that you cant be billed monthly for. It's happened.

I suspect that is hokum.  People from time to time come up with perpetual-motion machines.  Our current understanding of physics (often mainly conservation of energy and 2nd law of thermodynamics) suggests that there can be no perpetual-motion machines.  In history, as far as I know, every time a perpetual-motion machine is tested, it is found not to be so.

In the case of that video, the guy spins up the fan and then uses it as a flywheel to power a light bulb.  When you spin up something, you are taking energy from one source (in this case a battery or power supply) and putting it into another form (in this case rotational kinetic energy).    You can then draw from that rotational energy to power something else (in this case, a light bulb).  But you do draw from it, and eventually you run out of the stored rotational energy.  Flywheels store energy but do not create it -- you use something else to charge them up.

I would expect that, after the fan is spun up, the initial power is removed, and the setup is powering the light bulb, the fan would stop spinning after a little while.  This happens once the initial rotational energy is all used up and turned into light and heat.

Magnets are not a source of energy.  They are like ball bearings or springs, depending on how you use them.  When they are used like ball bearings, they reduce friction (which otherwise uses up energy in creating unwanted heat).  When they are used like springs, they can store up energy, but that's energy that you put in from some other source -- they don't generate the energy on their own.

In the guy's experiment, if you measured the power used up from the power source to spin up the fan and measured the power consumed by the light bulb, you would likely find that the light bulb gets less power than the amount used up from the initial power source -- in other words that the fan/flywheel in the middle just ended up wasting some of the energy (because it has some friction in its bearings, some inefficiency in its electric motor, some energy used up in moving air).  He would have a more-efficient system just running the light bulb from the power source directly.

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« Reply #187 on: July 30, 2018, 06:26:22 PM »
I suspect that is hokum.  People from time to time come up with perpetual-motion machines.  Our current understanding of physics (often mainly conservation of energy and 2nd law of thermodynamics) suggests that there can be no perpetual-motion machines.  In history, as far as I know, every time a perpetual-motion machine is tested, it is found not to be so.

In the case of that video, the guy spins up the fan and then uses it as a flywheel to power a light bulb.  When you spin up something, you are taking energy from one source (in this case a battery or power supply) and putting it into another form (in this case rotational kinetic energy).    You can then draw from that rotational energy to power something else (in this case, a light bulb).  But you do draw from it, and eventually you run out of the stored rotational energy.  Flywheels store energy but do not create it -- you use something else to charge them up.

I would expect that, after the fan is spun up, the initial power is removed, and the setup is powering the light bulb, the fan would stop spinning after a little while.  This happens once the initial rotational energy is all used up and turned into light and heat.

Magnets are not a source of energy.  They are like ball bearings or springs, depending on how you use them.  When they are used like ball bearings, they reduce friction (which otherwise uses up energy in creating unwanted heat).  When they are used like springs, they can store up energy, but that's energy that you put in from some other source -- they don't generate the energy on their own.

In the guy's experiment, if you measured the power used up from the power source to spin up the fan and measured the power consumed by the light bulb, you would likely find that the light bulb gets less power than the amount used up from the initial power source -- in other words that the fan/flywheel in the middle just ended up wasting some of the energy (because it has some friction in its bearings, some inefficiency in its electric motor, some energy used up in moving air).  He would have a more-efficient system just running the light bulb from the power source directly.

How could he run the light bulb from a power source directly if there's isn't one, that's why he has the fan? I get what you are saying about the energy used to power the fan, which powers the light, and agree that it does take more power to power the fan than the light, but that power is caused by the magnets repelling from each other, thus turning the fan. Something has to power it. This is much better than the battery because it doesn't corrode and doesn't have to be built with as much technology, which uses more energy. There is no energy source that doesn't ware down and have to be maintained for effeciency and effectiveness.

Have you heard of the Torus energy rotation?

Watch this video from 36:00 to 40:00. You will see what I am talking about with regards to people getting shut down for finding better sources of energy than what we have today.
https://youtu.be/lEV5AFFcZ-s
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Re: Carrying capacity of the Earth
« Reply #188 on: July 30, 2018, 06:34:55 PM »
How could he run the light bulb from a power source directly if there's isn't one, that's why he has the fan?

At the start, he powers up the fan to get it spinning.  Then he disconnects the power source he uses to get the fan spinning and hooks the leads to the bulb.

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Re: Carrying capacity of the Earth
« Reply #189 on: July 30, 2018, 06:49:38 PM »
Watch this video from 36:00 to 40:00. You will see what I am talking about with regards to people getting shut down for finding better sources of energy than what we have today.
https://youtu.be/lEV5AFFcZ-s

That's a guy on a video saying "Here is what happened".  People say false stuff all the time, and the world has lots of crackpots and charlatans.  I looked around a little and couldn't find any backup for what the guy said.  The world also has secrets and stuff that is hushed up all the time, too -- but for me, it boils down to evidence along with how it fits with what I think I know, how I think the world works, and what sounds plausible to me.

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Re: Carrying capacity of the Earth
« Reply #190 on: July 30, 2018, 07:11:04 PM »
That's a guy on a video saying "Here is what happened".  People say false stuff all the time, and the world has lots of crackpots and charlatans.  I looked around a little and couldn't find any backup for what the guy said.  The world also has secrets and stuff that is hushed up all the time, too -- but for me, it boils down to evidence along with how it fits with what I think I know, how I think the world works, and what sounds plausible to me.

You couldn't find any research on any of the men shown in that video? Must be some Google algos messing with you. Hell, even looking for correct history on Oregon slavery is pretty difficult these days on Google. I tried recently.

At the start, he powers up the fan to get it spinning.  Then he disconnects the power source he uses to get the fan spinning and hooks the leads to the bulb.

Are you sure we are watching the same video? The reason the fan was spinning the first time was because of his hand. Then he showed the battery, then he showed how the big magnet repells the fans magnets and causes it to spin. This spins the fan and then provides the current through the wires that gets the light to power up.
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Re: Carrying capacity of the Earth
« Reply #191 on: July 30, 2018, 08:28:07 PM »
You couldn't find any research on any of the men shown in that video? Must be some Google algos messing with you.

Nah, Google wouldn't do that to me!  The co-founder of Google and I went to the same school!  ;)

You can't find stuff that isn't there (such as if one guy is making it all up) or if large powers manage to hide the information.  I don't think folks can successfully hide everything.  What I see is they can discredit stuff, scoff at it, put out contradictory information, etc. -- but making it all disappear seems less likely to me.

Here's about all I found on Trombly:
https://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2011/12/09/who-is-adam-trombly/

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Are you sure we are watching the same video?

Here's what happens when you try doing it the way the guy purports he is doing it (which is a scam):

https://youtu.be/QBFHn5bLy7Q

Here's how the scam works:

https://youtu.be/M6QV0AfDF2k

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Re: Carrying capacity of the Earth
« Reply #192 on: July 30, 2018, 10:25:56 PM »
Alright. So maybe the spinner vid was a stupid post in the .9  seconds it took to find that.
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Re: Carrying capacity of the Earth
« Reply #193 on: July 30, 2018, 10:33:07 PM »
I still believe that we have not produced the best energy source and it's still and always will be transportation that holds society back.
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Re: Carrying capacity of the Earth
« Reply #194 on: July 31, 2018, 02:01:42 AM »
I still believe that we have not produced the best energy source

I agree with you.

Who knows what weird thing might show up in the future as an energy source?