Please add a large downdraft at 30k

[waystin2]

It takes about 4 sectors or more to get a B-17 loaded with bombs and 75% fuel to around 30k.   Many fighter planes can get to that alt in much less time.  I have fought many planes at 30k plus in a B-17 formation and I am moving at a speed that is slow.  That is where the fighters can hit and travel on to come back for another pass.  The B-17 is a sitting duck with only his gunnery ability to make it home safely.  I believe some of the enemy fighters get impatient and make careless moves that ends in their death.  Many bomber targets are deep into enemy territory.  That means long flights and a lot of time for the enemy to up an intercepting plane.   At 30k or more, I have encountered P47s, P51s, spits, 110s, mossies, 262s, 163s, 109s, 152s, etc..  They all fly faster than the B-17 at that alt.  I would rather not penalize a bomber pilot.  The b-17 does have a ceiling alt.  37k to 38k and you are barely moving at 120 +/- speed.  That's without eggs and a not a lot of fuel.

One-eye

Jac this was never directed at your play style.  You are a scrapper.  I have fought with and against ya.  Your input is appreciated!

[Puma44]

'New' wish.

Require oxygen above 10k. Make oxygen a damageable system. When it goes hypoxia, blackout sets in (the higher, the faster). Wakey-wakey starts at 10k. If your craft is intact, try spin recovery (or bail).

That’s an interesting realistic real word idea.  +1

[Chris79]

Add a strong jet stream that would degrade bombing accuracy significantly. If buff pilot “A” wants to climb to 30k to avoid interception by all means. With that being said, make it so a single set of 30k bombers could not do appreciable damage.
 

[bustr]

If the radar stays, then a 30k bomber box traveling a front dropping only vhangers at feilds will be a superior strategic asset to field captures. Seems in AH2 when field captures were the prime activity, guys did just that across several feilds around the target field along with a bomb for the radar. That shut down flak wagons from getting into town or defending the field. And the attackers always killed the truck convoys becasue don't they have some effect on how long it takes the vHanger to come back up? Or was it the town.....

[Volron]

And the attackers always killed the truck convoys becasue don't they have some effect on how long it takes the vHanger to come back up? Or was it the town.....

It only affects town and field.  The only thing that would affect hanger down times if the option in the arena setup is changed, otherwise nothing in game will affect any hanger down time.

[icepac]

I don't care how high someone flies a bomber.     I will intercept them.

Just because the whiners want the game to play itself doesn't mean they are the majority........they are just the loudest.

[Ciaphas]

While flying we the 91st back in AH2 almost all of our missions were 25k and above and they were some of the best sorties I’ve ever flown. We fought our way in and we fought our way out. More times than none, cons were staggered below, co-alt and above our formations.

We would have long range and a few short range (egress route) escorts. There were never any complaints about altitude.




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[USCH]

I see this in a few ways.

1) If a bomber pilot took the time to fly to 30k, he deserves to live. He has chosen to avoid combat and avoid he combat he just may.

2) If a fighter pilot takes the time to fly to 30k to kill a bomber pilot who took the time to fly to 30k, may the best pilot win.

3) Aircraft have ceilings, they are of no use to us if we have a virtual alt cap.

4) Some aircraft were built to perform at extremely high altitudes. If we deny them of those altitudes, why are they in the game?


Result: Let them climb.

Correct.. alt cap is why i don't fly in Brooke's fairytale scenarios. Alt caps are implemented for people who don't read enough books to care. Now some people will argue that it promotes fights but if you make an alt cap all you are truly doing is saying "im too lazy". It does nothing but take an aircraft's distinct personal advantage away. TA-152 P47M P47N ME262 ME163 all get max speed over 30K several more AT or just below 30k.

So if your going to have an Alt cap in the MA it will be at 56k or higher.

[bozon]

Tonight I saw 2 sets of bombers above 35k.  They are graduating from Alt Monkeys to Alt Baboons, though they are still a ways from being Alt Gorillas.

Wiley.

That makes no sense. Baboons live on the ground, not really tree climbers. Gorillas are too heavy to climb trees up to any significat height.

[bozon]

The best tactic for fighters to kill bombers at 30K is real easy.   Get a scout to follow the 30K bomber and report location and direction.  Grab your best plane for high altitude and climb well in advance and get in front of bombers for a head on pass.  30K jousting event is now open for combat.

Bring two friends and take all 3 bombers down in one pass.

When the players who take the bombers to 30K and start getting blown out of the sky, either they choose to fly and fight or find something else to do.

Written by a bomber pilot who only enjoys flying and fighting.

Too difficult.
Instead, follow the bombers from a safe distance till they land, then vulch them on the runway.

[Wiley]

That makes no sense. Baboons live on the ground, not really tree climbers. Gorillas are too heavy to climb trees up to any significat height.

The metaphor is size, not actual tendencies.  Also they're both technically Apes.  Alt Ape just doesn't have the same flow, although it does have the advantage of being alliterative. 

Wiley.

[bustr]

Don't tell the baboons they are not tree climbers.


https://natureontheedge.com/2016/01/09/baboons-climb-trees/

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[RODBUSTR]

  Virtually no B17 or B24 "bombing" missions were flown above 25,000 feet. It was hard on the engines and bombing accuracy suffered and They were too heavily laden with fuel, ords, and the weapons created too much drag.  The max ceiling for a B17 was 36,500 feet'BOEING AIRCRAFT STAT. The USAAF stats are 32,500 feet alt for a 50,000 pound B17 take off weight-under 22,000 for 1 weighing 65,000 take off weight- and under 26,000 for 1 weighing take off weight 60,000, but that is for one weighing 50,000 pounds take off weight.    The 21st Bomber command tried using b29s at 30,000 but They couldn't  be sure of hitting anything with a bomb except for the ground and it was very hard on the engines.  Other planes like the Mossy16 had good alt performance, but didn't have the ability to accurately bomb from very High alt. A modification in modeling would make it more realistic,but the strato sortie bufftards would not like It. I'm sure They don't like the new All Seeing Eye either.   But a layer of clouds at 26-27k covering the strats would be a step in the fairer direction.   Have a blast.   I don't really mind the fantasy bombing alts when a spit14 is available. Mjug My second choice.    Anyway , Have a blast.

[caldera]

The problem is one of combat avoidance and the lack of consequence for it.  It's all well and good if someone wants to fly at 35k, but bombing accuracy should not be anywhere near as good as it is in the game.  Flight models are made to be accurate as possible, as are the physics for bullets and shells.  Why aren't bombs? 

A bomber pilot can hit a target from 35k as easily as from 5k.  Does nobody see the problem in that?  Players that have hours to burn going AFK on climb out are rewarded over ones that fly at altitudes where they might actually run into other players.  Bombers should be more accurate from lower altitudes, just like La-7s perform better at lower altitudes.

If a bomber pilot climbs into low earth orbit, he should not also enjoy the same accuracy as he does at 10k.  There is no trade off for altitude and there should be.