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Offline Vraciu

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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2018, 11:46:59 AM »
The problem is one of combat avoidance and the lack of consequence for it.  It's all well and good if someone wants to fly at 35k, but bombing accuracy should not be anywhere near as good as it is in the game.  Flight models are made to be accurate as possible, as are the physics for bullets and shells.  Why aren't bombs? 

A bomber pilot can hit a target from 35k as easily as from 5k.  Does nobody see the problem in that?  Players that have hours to burn going AFK on climb out are rewarded over ones that fly at altitudes where they might actually run into other players.  Bombers should be more accurate from lower altitudes, just like La-7s perform better at lower altitudes.

If a bomber pilot climbs into low earth orbit, he should not also enjoy the same accuracy as he does at 10k.  There is no trade off for altitude and there should be.

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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2018, 12:05:35 PM »
The problem is one of combat avoidance and the lack of consequence for it.
This was the point for my wish.  However with the new radar changes Hitech is making with his tests the wish in this thread has lessened substantially.  Bombers are easier to spot early and track & intercept.
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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #47 on: August 04, 2018, 04:41:30 PM »
It's all well and good if someone wants to fly at 35k, but bombing accuracy should not be anywhere near as good as it is in the game. 


So true.

We remember that formations were introduced at the same time as the calibrated bomb sight.  The notion was that, if you were going to have the extra bombs carried by the two additional planes, you would have to compensate by using a less-accurate bomb sight.  I thought this was a great idea - much more accurate historically.  But the "you fighter dweebs hate us bomber afficionados" became so loud that the laser bomb sights were re-enabled - yet the formations didn't disappear.

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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2018, 10:37:56 AM »
We remember that formations were introduced at the same time as the calibrated bomb sight.  The notion was that, if you were going to have the extra bombs carried by the two additional planes, you would have to compensate by using a less-accurate bomb sight.  I thought this was a great idea - much more accurate historically.  But the "you fighter dweebs hate us bomber afficionados" became so loud that the laser bomb sights were re-enabled - yet the formations didn't disappear.

There were not 2 but 3 changes. Manual calibration, formations, and reduced precision. The manual calibration can provide the same accuracy as the automatic calibration. Reduced precision (bombs scattered all over the place) was countered by formations dropping trice the bombs.

With a bad calibration there could be a 12-ship formation, and it would still achieve nothing.

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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2018, 11:50:37 AM »
With a bad calibration there could be a 12-ship formation, and it would still achieve nothing.


True, true.  You'd think that the people who value the simulation experience would approve of that.

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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2018, 12:01:42 PM »
Bombs should scatter just as they did in reality.



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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2018, 12:39:10 PM »
If that were added, then the structure hitpoints would need to be adjusted accordingly. A 1k bomb would knock any wwII (typical) hangar out of the fight.


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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2018, 01:32:07 PM »
A single 1k bomb would knock out a hangar and all the hangars adjacent to it destroying all planes inside.

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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2018, 01:32:41 PM »
Look at the new variables.


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For the next patch I am writing some new radar option flags so configurations can change and I can test some different combinations.

Enemy Vehicles On Radar
Friendly Vehicles On Radar
Show Bombers as Fighters

Also the BelowRadarAlt will remain active even if full radar is enabled.
It can be set to 0 to disable it.

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My current thinking is it will change Tuesday with a new test consisting of full radar in tower (with the exception of below radar), and different settings when in flight.

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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2018, 12:22:08 PM »
They all ready do scatter.

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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2018, 03:31:20 PM »
They all ready do scatter.

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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2018, 06:05:14 PM »
With a bad calibration there could be a 12-ship formation, and it would still achieve nothing.

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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #57 on: August 06, 2018, 06:54:57 PM »
Something changed between AH2 and AH3. Can't kill hangars as reliably as with 2 now in 3. Either bomb damaged reduced, bomb radius reduced (sometimes not close enough to hangar), or hangar size reduced. Or something messed up with the calibration.

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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #58 on: August 06, 2018, 08:20:50 PM »
"An example of the difficulties of precision bombing was a raid in the summer of 1944 by 47 B-29's on Japan's Yawata Steel Works from bases in China. Only one plane actually hit the target area, and only with one of its bombs. This single 500 lb (230 kg) general purpose bomb represented one quarter of one percent of the 376 bombs dropped over Yawata on that mission."

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Re: Please add a large downdraft at 30k
« Reply #59 on: August 10, 2018, 02:40:36 AM »
The problem is one of combat avoidance and the lack of consequence for it.  It's all well and good if someone wants to fly at 35k, but bombing accuracy should not be anywhere near as good as it is in the game.  Flight models are made to be accurate as possible, as are the physics for bullets and shells.  Why aren't bombs? 

A bomber pilot can hit a target from 35k as easily as from 5k.  Does nobody see the problem in that?  Players that have hours to burn going AFK on climb out are rewarded over ones that fly at altitudes where they might actually run into other players.  Bombers should be more accurate from lower altitudes, just like La-7s perform better at lower altitudes.

If a bomber pilot climbs into low earth orbit, he should not also enjoy the same accuracy as he does at 10k.  There is no trade off for altitude and there should be.

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Dropping bombs at 30k should be like me trying to level bomb (at any altitude), I hit within a sector.
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