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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #210 on: August 18, 2018, 10:15:36 AM »
You'd need to evidence a causation.

20 people on a NOE mission on 3 sides = 60 people online (not counting the people who logged into arena because they seen other 60 playing people on the arena)


No NOE missions = no one online (no one logs in because no one wants to play on empty arena)


How much people played before 2009 with NOE?   How many people play today when there is no NOE?   You connect the two......

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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #211 on: August 18, 2018, 10:19:53 AM »
How much people played before 2009 with NOE?   How many people play today when there is no NOE?   You connect the two......

I don't have to connect the two. You have to.

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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #212 on: August 18, 2018, 10:21:06 AM »
20 people on a NOE mission on 3 sides = 60 people online (not counting the people who logged into arena because they seen other 60 playing people on the arena)


No NOE missions = no one online (no one logs in because no one wants to play on empty arena)


How much people played before 2009 with NOE?   How many people play today when there is no NOE?   You connect the two......

Didn't you just ask me the other day what NOE meant?

Now you are going to pretend to be an authority on it?

If you can't attract a fight announcing your intentions on 200 and rolling base after base (sometimes in full radar view) trying to start a fight then an NOE raid is not going to make any difference.
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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #213 on: August 18, 2018, 10:29:34 AM »
Hehe Vraciu i just didn't know what the acronym meant that was used here, i used different wording for it.

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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #214 on: August 18, 2018, 10:35:47 AM »
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If you can't attract a fight announcing your intentions on 200 and rolling base after base (sometimes in full radar view) trying to start a fight then an NOE raid is not going to make any difference.

Oh....but if NOE was in the game, i wouldn't announce anything, i would be attacking fields.


See? There is no NOE, so i'm not playing the game.

If there was NOE, i would be playing the game.  That's 1 player more, and now count how many more would come back.....

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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #215 on: August 18, 2018, 10:42:18 AM »
Oh....but if NOE was in the game, i wouldn't announce anything, i would be attacking fields.


If you can't attract a fight announcing your intentions on 200 and rolling base after base (sometimes in full radar view) trying to start a fight then an NOE raid is not going to make any difference.


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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #216 on: August 18, 2018, 10:42:40 AM »
Please, are you playing this since yesterday?

Watch the video Max posted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE17BAfekuQ


It was 8 years ago, seems a big portion of people left simply because of this one change.

It seems it was not a 'small change' after all, but maybe one of the few things which defined what AH is as a product, since the dar which allowed NOE was like this from the start of 2001.

It's like taking the meat out of the hamburger from Mcdonalds,,,,,,, 'hey folks, we don't want you to get fat, so now our hamburgers will be without meat, enjoy'

....and that video has been editted a number of times to poke fun at all manner of things, hardly "evidence". When I was in the Mafia we had a mission called "Lightning Strike". When the CO called "Lightning strike in 5 at such and such a base" we all knew to be there and grab a hvy 38. Vector to base was anounced as we lifted off as well as target assignments. We stayed at goon speed NOE and once we hit the Dar circle went to WEP and grabbed a couple K. Would wipe out VH and town in time for the goon to catch up and drop troops. Worked 99% of the time in a minute or so from hitting the dar circle.

Well planned, well practiced, easily executable and boring as all hell seeing there was NO FIGHT! Defenders rarely had a chance to spot it never mind up in time to even get wheels up.

The Dar change was a welcomed one by many. It took the crutch of hiding under the dar away and made for more fights.

Oh....but if NOE was in the game, i wouldn't announce anything, i would be attacking fields.


See? There is no NOE, so i'm not playing the game.

If there was NOE, i would be playing the game.  That's 1 player more, and now count how many more would come back.....

If you want to capture bases NOE/with out the chance of being attacked, go and setup a custom arena and have at it. Its free and nobody will discover your NOEs and you can capture all the bases you want.

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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #217 on: August 18, 2018, 10:46:19 AM »

The Dar change was a welcomed one by many. It took the crutch of hiding under the dar away and made for more fights.


I'm sure it was, all those people that are playing right now.

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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #218 on: August 18, 2018, 11:27:25 AM »
I'm a patient man, but this is more than I can stand. 

I am taking my bag of troll food and locking it away.   I suggest we all do the same. 


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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #219 on: August 18, 2018, 12:20:30 PM »
Fugitive and other AH old-timers, you were right and I was wrong, I hope the path of changes to the game will bring you plenty of new folks on arena and I wish you all the best.  :aok

Nuget signing out.
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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #220 on: August 18, 2018, 01:59:21 PM »
I never stated the continued decline was due to economy.  Only that was what caused the start of decline (was obvious do to increase in credit card declines). I agree with increased competition along with peoples use of smart phones and tablets is part of the reason for the continued decline.

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Not only,
 I agree with Nugetx, from my experience, the changes made over past years eliminated  satisfaction, rewards for team vs team kind of player, favoring selfish score/rank type gaming . Radar settings,  HQ eliminated, was the best fun to run or defend bombing raids, nija invisible m3s /gvs making bases close to impossible to capture, maps too large for population resting with same 20%.
 On the other hand you keep emphasizing  an abused sophisticated score, rank system, kill/hours/sortie, hit% that has nothing to do with WW2 air combat history, not appealing for first category ; unfortunately is all that's left to play for. 
  Here how i see it; a conflict between individual vs group psychological human behavior.   You got the Dallas Mavericks , filling up the arena with supporters, causing traffic congestion on I-635; this was the game before, more  team vs team clash kept the arena populated. I've been in sqds with 2,3 wings all same mindset enjoying this side of the game , chatting , having fun, recruiting absorbing new players..



Here is how i see the game rewarding today;  game settings moved the competition from team vs team level to individual level, people compete inside same team or sqd for cheap points/ranks. It's more rewarding this kind of psychological profile with lack of social behaviour skills, selfish, introverts  dweebs; vulching camping, rushing to bomb worthless strats first, checking their score after every sortie. 

 

 

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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #221 on: August 18, 2018, 02:00:37 PM »
^^^^^^^^^^^  This is what you get for not being a San Antonio Spurs fan.  Just saying.

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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #222 on: August 18, 2018, 02:48:56 PM »
^^^^^^^^^^^  This is what you get for not being a San Antonio Spurs fan.  Just saying.

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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #223 on: August 19, 2018, 06:00:39 AM »
Please, are you playing this since yesterday?

Watch the video Max posted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE17BAfekuQ


It was 8 years ago, seems a big portion of people left simply because of this one change.

It seems it was not a 'small change' after all, but maybe one of the few things which defined what AH is as a product, since the dar which allowed NOE was like this from the start of 2001.

It's like taking the meat out of the hamburger from Mcdonalds,,,,,,, 'hey folks, we don't want you to get fat, so now our hamburgers will be without meat, enjoy'

LOL can't help but laugh when someone thinks so highly of NOEs.
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Re: Aces High 'Classic'?
« Reply #224 on: August 19, 2018, 03:00:51 PM »
LOL can't help but laugh when someone thinks so highly of NOEs.
At least they were in aircraft and trying to accomplish something with some personal liability. Now the same players sit in guns and run supplies.
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