Noob

[hgtonyvi]

This community really gives a warm welcome....

[lunaticfringe]

I'm available weekend mornings (Eastern time zone) for answers to "how do I" questions, basic flight maneuvers & general info. Shoot me a PM if interested.

Welcome to AH3 

can you teach me how to do a reversal

[TequilaChaser]

can you teach me how to do a reversal

Horizontal 180 degree turn
High Yo-yo
Low Yo-yo
Switch-back
Slice-back
Immelman
Split-ese
180 degree bat turn
etc.....stuff like a chandelle

Which reversal to use depends entirely on the situation you might find yourself in

or were you thinking of something else but called it a reversal? Example: Barrel Roll Defense, where you have an opponent coming in fast and hard on your "six", you sucker them in closer execute a barrel roll forcing your opponent to overshoot you and switching from being the defender and becoming the attacker.....

Hope this helps

TC

[Max]

Heya TC

Could you please explain switch-back, slice-back, 180 degree bat turn?

[FLS]

Maybe he meant pitch back, a climbing turn, instead of switchback, a zigzag road.

A slice back is a descending turn so you keep your speed up.

The bat turn is a stall turn, it can look like you rotate in place from relative motion as the other plane flies by.

The classic video. 

[TequilaChaser]

Maybe he meant pitch back, a climbing turn, instead of switchback, a zigzag road.

A slice back is a descending turn so you keep your speed up.

The bat turn is a stall turn, it can look like you rotate in place from relative motion as the other plane flies by.

The classic video. 

Yep, I meant "Pitch-back", as FLS posted

Thanks for catching & providing the correct terminology FLS, much appreciated

I was just typing to fast and improperly typed it as I was trying to think of all the different types of reversals

~S~

TC

[Puma44]

What’s a switchback in comparison to a slice back?

A “bat turn” implies a hard turn reversal like a bat frequently does in flight.  Calling it a “stall turn” implies stalling the aircraft in a turn, which a bat does not do nor do aircraft in reality  A stall is loss of lift.  Stalling an aircraft in air combat is self defeating and not a valid combat maneuver.

Noob, do a google search (or whatever you use) for the “energy egg” and then seek out someone in here who can teach you the basics of BFM and how to apply the energy egg.

Welcome! 

[FLS]

There may be a variety turns that are called bat turns by various people at various times. I'm using my understanding of the Aces High usage which refers to something that's more than just a hard turn.

It's a stall turn because the stall and loss of yaw stability is what allows the propeller torque to rotate the aircraft.

[Puma44]

There may be a variety turns that are called bat turns by various people at various times. I'm using my understanding of the Aces High usage which refers to something that's more than just a hard turn.

It's a stall turn because the stall and loss of yaw stability is what allows the propeller torque to rotate the aircraft.

More than a hard turn is commonly referred to as a break turn which generates maximum turn rate.

Stalling the aircraft (making you a nearly stationary target and out of control) vs a break turn where you have control of the aircraft and it’s flight vector doesn’t demonstrate efficient energy management.

[TequilaChaser]

A “bat turn” implies a hard turn reversal like a bat frequently does in flight.

to add that it's performed in such a manner as not to lose hardly any energy/speed yet maximizing your energy state and turn performance the best one possibly can

This is how I always thought of and explained/taught it

Hope this helps

TC

[TequilaChaser]

And another reversal that I missed in my list....

Break Turn

(thanks Puma, I forgot about that one)

~S~

TC

Edit: all the turns I posted are BFM and some of the reversals are variations of others

[TequilaChaser]

FLS, are you mixing up "bat turn" with what the AH 109K4 flyers refer to as.... Trying to remember but think they called it or referred to as Cobra or something similar to that?

[Puma44]

to add that it's performed in such a manner as not to lose hardly any energy/speed yet maximizing your energy state and turn performance the best one possibly can

This is how I always thought of and explained/taught it

Hope this helps

TC

TC, your description more aptly describes a “hard turn”.  “Bat turn” is often used as a real world slang term when referring to a “Break turn”. 

It’s disconcerting when those helping new players throw out self made terminology that can be defined differently by different people and only confuse the novice.  It’s rare to see an instructor start out with the basics of BFM and energy management.  For instance, the Jug video is a great compilation of snap shots, many off a pick and blow through. 

It’s easy to see how a Newbie could go out and try to replicate those shots and be very disappointed and confused when they don’t work so well.  The video shows many examples of the successful end game but, not how to get there. 

[FLS]

More than a hard turn is commonly referred to as a break turn which generates maximum turn rate.

Stalling the aircraft (making you a nearly stationary target and out of control) vs a break turn where you have control of the aircraft and it’s flight vector doesn’t demonstrate efficient energy management.

The almost stationary vertical reversal is the hammerhead turn, also called a stall turn. It does not use torque to rotate like the bat turn.

[FLS]

FLS, are you mixing up "bat turn" with what the AH 109K4 flyers refer to as.... Trying to remember but think they called it or referred to as Cobra or something similar to that?

Do you think maybe they called it "bat turn"? It always sounded like they were trying to describe a torque maneuver without using any aero terms properly.

to add that it's performed in such a manner as not to lose hardly any energy/speed yet maximizing your energy state and turn performance the best one possibly can

This is how I always thought of and explained/taught it

Hope this helps

TC

Please demonstrate this awesome maneuver since your description lacks any sort of detail.