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Re: Yo Colmbo!
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2018, 08:55:21 PM »
Here's a scary story...

We flew with the cover to the radio room hatch open.  This allowed pax to stick their head in the slipstream.  I'm 5'8" and when I stand at the aft end of the radio room hatch most of my head is out of the airplane.  One of the things we always briefed to the pax was there was a 170mph wind and anything they stuck out of the hatch would blow over the tail and be lost.

We're giving a ride and our FE Gary would position himself in the radio room which allowed him to see everything except the nose compartment...it's always wise to keep an eye on folks. :)  Anyway we cruising along and hear some unintelligible sounds come over the intercom.  By the time I look back through the bomb bay I see Gary holding a child and talking rather pointedly to an adult male.  It seems the father wanted to boost his kid up for a better view so standing in the radio room hatch he boosted the kid up onto his shoulders, or at least tried to.  This kid was only a few years old and the wind blast blew him right out of Dad's hand and the kid was sliding aft toward the tail.  Luckily Gary had been watching and sensed what was about to happen.  The noise we heard on the intercom was Gary's instinctive push of the push to talk to yell at the guy.  Gary was able to grab the kids ankle and keep him in the airplane.
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Re: Yo Colmbo!
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2018, 10:13:31 PM »
Holy Sh#t!

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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2018, 12:51:09 AM »
Yikes!



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Re: Yo Colmbo!
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2018, 01:19:26 AM »
 :O Great CATCH! Those sort of folk need hats or tattoos----Im an idiot :uhoh I am gonna go play in traffic now :bolt:
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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2018, 10:01:35 AM »
Of the B-24 and B-17, which did you favor and why?



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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2018, 12:21:54 PM »
Of the B-24 and B-17, which did you favor and why?

Yes, because. :)

I was more familiar with the B-17 and it was the airplane I hoped to get typed in.  I grew up with the B-17...Twelve O'clock High...both the movie and the TV series that ran for 3 years.  The B-17 is much more aesthetically pleasing than the B-24, although the -24 grows on you and once in flight isn't nearly as clumsy looking.

I started on the -17.  Although it is a tailwheel airplane it isn't a difficult airplane to handle as long as you mind a few basic rules such as NEVER unlock the tailwheel with a side load on it because you will most likely be unable to stop that turn.  Even with that big tail the airplane isn't too bad in a x-wind.  I've taken off with 45 knots about 45 from runway heading and had no problem.  Landing is a bit more challenge of course. Differential power and good technique goes a long way to keeping things calm.  The B-17 is a bit nicer to fly than the -24.  The -17 is the airplane you'd take on a sunny afternoon to just bore holes in the sky, the -24 is a bit more work to fly.  The B-17 has very heavy aileron and rudder forces along with a very low roll rate.  It wasn't uncommon with the B-17 for a show pass to use full aileron rolling into and out of the bank.  I watched my pilot wipe the cockpit out with the yoke one afternoon in Titusville when we flew through the worlds biggest flock of seagulls.  Mike pushed, pulled and twisted the yoke but the airplane never really moved.  It probably made him feel better.  I did a summer afternoon ILS down almost to minimums through cummulo bumpies.  I was working my butt off trying to impress the boss with my instrument skills and worked up quite a sweat as I wrestled the Fort down the glide slope.  Once on the ground and taxiing in my wife, who had been standing behind me during the approach, asked if it was really that hard or if I was just acting out for her!!!  The boss got quite a laugh out of that. 

The -17 was probably the easier of the two to get a descent landing in, but I think the harder of the two to get that nice squeaker landing.  The -24 is nose heavy and it takes a firm pull to get a good flare for landing, many landings being more 3 point flops.  The -24 wasn't bad in a x-wind.  I landed in Lake Charles with 30+ knots directly across the runway, a good split of power to keep the nose pointed forward and standard x-wind technique worked as expected.

The -24 could be a pain to taxi.  Even though it has a nose wheel it is a non-steerable castering nose wheel.  The CG is such that the nose wheel is very "light" on the ground.  The brake system is an open hydraulic system, using expanding tubes to actuate the brake pucks.  What all that means is there is a slight delay between pedal pressure and braking action.  This drove me nuts at first.  I'd press the brakes, perceive no response and press harder and then I'd get the entire braking response.  That would dip the nose down, I'd let off the brakes and the nose would pop up getting the nose wheel very light and with any input at all the nose wheel would dart left or right and away you'd go!!  I had to stop more than once just to get things under control. :)  Once I learned to just use a slight pressure on the brake pedals and WAIT for the response it became easy peasy.  Some of the guys just never figured it out and hated the -24.

The -17 seemed more forgiving of an engine loss at least in the configuration we flew the bombers.  When working up for the type ride on the -24 I did a simulated 2 engine out approach to what was a rather firm landing. :)  On another practice approach with 1 engine at zero thrust we did a missed approach and it took an entire 7000 runway to get the airplane headed uphill again, some of that probably my poor flying and it was a 90F+ day with high humidity.

I grew to love the -24 and was quite happy I got typed in it.  It is a bit more challenging to fly, that challenge made it more fun.  The -24 is a hydraulic airplane and a single point failure can take away your gear, flaps and brakes.  That happened to us in Burbank but we had just landed when the line cracked literally filling the interior with hydraulic fluid mist.  As it worked out we were able to coast to a safe stop.

In the big picture I didn't care which airplane I was flying. Holy cow, I was flying a WWII bomber!!! :)
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Re: Yo Colmbo!
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2018, 04:51:13 PM »
In the big picture I didn't care which airplane I was flying. Holy cow, I was flying a WWII bomber!!! :)
Great read! The irony is Columbo you probably have more time flying the 17 and 24 than all bomber pilots did during the war.
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Re: Yo Colmbo!
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2018, 05:06:01 PM »
Great write up Colmbo!  Thanks for sharing.



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Re: Yo Colmbo!
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2018, 09:26:33 PM »
Here's a scary story...

We flew with the cover to the radio room hatch open.  This allowed pax to stick their head in the slipstream.  I'm 5'8" and when I stand at the aft end of the radio room hatch most of my head is out of the airplane.  One of the things we always briefed to the pax was there was a 170mph wind and anything they stuck out of the hatch would blow over the tail and be lost.

We're giving a ride and our FE Gary would position himself in the radio room which allowed him to see everything except the nose compartment...it's always wise to keep an eye on folks. :)  Anyway we cruising along and hear some unintelligible sounds come over the intercom.  By the time I look back through the bomb bay I see Gary holding a child and talking rather pointedly to an adult male.  It seems the father wanted to boost his kid up for a better view so standing in the radio room hatch he boosted the kid up onto his shoulders, or at least tried to.  This kid was only a few years old and the wind blast blew him right out of Dad's hand and the kid was sliding aft toward the tail.  Luckily Gary had been watching and sensed what was about to happen.  The noise we heard on the intercom was Gary's instinctive push of the push to talk to yell at the guy.  Gary was able to grab the kids ankle and keep him in the airplane.

I was lucky enough to ride on the Liberty Belle and I actually stuck my head and video camera out the open radio room hatch and recorded during the flight. I started thinking about hitting turbulence and me flying out of the hatch so I moved to another location in the plane. It was quite the experience. I'm trying to find the video but for some reason it isn't appearing on my youtube channel.

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Re: Yo Colmbo!
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« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2018, 09:53:43 PM »
Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6G6y5cmqAc&hd=1

“This video unavailable”  comes up.  Tried the tap to retry and no change.  It would be great to see your video.



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Re: Yo Colmbo!
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2018, 10:16:48 PM »
I'm working on getting a couple videos uploaded myself.  One shows a pass on us by an L-39 that perhaps was similar to a 262 making a gun pass.

Today was chemo day so my be a bit slow but I'll get 'em up.

FYI if anyone needs a 14' enclosed, tandem axle Pace cargo trailer, new tires, 2 spare I've got one for sale.  This is an awesome time to drive the Alcan, little traffic, seasonal changes in progress....we've done the drive 4 times now...loved it more each time.  While you're here you can load up on Alaska trinkets and perhaps recoup some of the cost of the drive.  Let me know. :)
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Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" and the warrior whispers back "I AM THE STORM"

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Re: Yo Colmbo!
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2018, 09:03:33 AM »
“This video unavailable”  comes up.  Tried the tap to retry and no change.  It would be great to see your video.

Try again. It was set to private. I believe its public now.  :cheers:

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« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2018, 04:27:48 PM »
👍 Cool! 



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« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2018, 06:57:50 PM »
I'm going to do this the easy way...instead of uploading each vid to youtube I'm just putting the link up to my Smugmug video page.  I might put a little info up on some of the vids...if you have questions blast away...enjoy.


https://www.dalefalk.com/Movies
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"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."

Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" and the warrior whispers back "I AM THE STORM"