88s

[Wiley]

I've never once been hit by the 88s.

Maybe it's because I never did fly down their barrel or fly a perfectly straight path as I passed over a base.

The other day I was working near a base and there was some kind of savant in the 88.  He'd been coming close to several planes the entire time I was there, and I was coming over the top at one point and he nailed me.  I don't generally worry about them as I'm usually maneuvering, but it can happen.

Wiley.

[Ciaphas]

Not really sure where the hatred for the 88 was born.

This entire game is built off of a risk/reward model. You up your favorite ride or a ride that is tactically necessary for the situation and head over to where it's needed to perform a task.

When you attack a field, there is always a risk of failure. There will always be someone that is better at X than you are and some people are able to maintain god like SA and then there are those that chose to master their preferred platforms or multiple platforms.

You either rise to the challenge and hope the person opposing is not as good as you or you adapt to the situation and flip the script and take away what ever perceived advantage your opponent may have over you.

If I am attacking a base and I see the 88 popping close to friendlies I change my approach and try to counter the 88 by removing comfortable angle that the gunner can use to swat my fly out of the sky.

*edit*

At the very least, if you are in a man gun and you die, the person who towered you should get the kill. I also think that the 88 should be perked.




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[The Fugitive]

The only thing it has to with the 88s is that it is NOT A PLANE period.

With the low numbers you have more and more players jumping into gun/88s making it worst because there are now even more players not in the air. Thats the only complaints here.

Basically what they are saying is "Get out of the gun and fight me in a plane!" That is what players are paying for, COMBAT!

[Ciaphas]

The only thing it has to with the 88s is that it is NOT A PLANE period.

With the low numbers you have more and more players jumping into gun/88s making it worst because there are now even more players not in the air. Thats the only complaints here.

Basically what they are saying is "Get out of the gun and fight me in a plane!" That is what players are paying for, COMBAT!

I understand that but is it still combat if an 88 is defending a field against an active enemy? The validity is not diminished just because they're using a tool that you don't prefer or feel is unnecessary to the game.


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[Oldman731]

Basically what they are saying is "Get out of the gun and fight me in a plane!" That is what players are paying for, COMBAT!

Does the complaint change if it becomes "Get out of the Wirb and fight me in a plane!"? 

We have stationary manned ack, vehicle ack, 5-inch ack, and 88 ack.  Why is 88 ack more reprehensible than the others?

- oldman

[The Fugitive]

I understand that but is it still combat if an 88 is defending a field against an active enemy? The validity is not diminished just because they're using a tool that you don't prefer or feel is unnecessary to the game.


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It is basically an ineffective tool for 99% of the players, yet so many jump into one as a "first line" of defense. Any one who is just average in this game cam take out all the guns on a field. I think LilMak did a training film where he did it and then circled looking for a fight with plenty of ammo for a few kills. At this point in the game, large maps are bad for the game right now, so are 88s or other manned guns.

Does the complaint change if it becomes "Get out of the Wirb and fight me in a plane!"? 

We have stationary manned ack, vehicle ack, 5-inch ack, and 88 ack.  Why is 88 ack more reprehensible than the others?

- oldman

For me, no. its an air combat game, we need as many people as we can get IN THE AIR. Years ago those were all great add-ons. Vilkas made a living in a gun, but these days. Whats the point of "flying" if there are n't anyone else flying? Many people only play this game to FIGHT air to air against other real live players. That is disappearing. At this point we are losing a player now and then, but it WILL get to a point when it tips and we start losing players by the dozens.

If turning off the "guns" for a bit now keeps players playing, is that a bad thing?

[Oldman731]

For me, no. its an air combat game, we need as many people as we can get IN THE AIR. Years ago those were all great add-ons. Vilkas made a living in a gun, but these days. Whats the point of "flying" if there are n't anyone else flying? Many people only play this game to FIGHT air to air against other real live players. That is disappearing. At this point we are losing a player now and then, but it WILL get to a point when it tips and we start losing players by the dozens.

If turning off the "guns" for a bit now keeps players playing, is that a bad thing?

I fall back on that pleasant Southern saying, "I don't have a dog in this fight."  But I doubt that someone who is inclined to shoot from the ground is going to magically become a fighter pilot if the ack is denied to him.  He wasn't interested in air combat the first place.

- oldman

[The Fugitive]

I fall back on that pleasant Southern saying, "I don't have a dog in this fight."  But I doubt that someone who is inclined to shoot from the ground is going to magically become a fighter pilot if the ack is denied to him.  He wasn't interested in air combat the first place.

- oldman

Do you think players are paying $15 a month to sit in a gun? Even Vilkas....a gunner in WWII, FLEW in the game, not just sat in a gun. I highly doubt that "gunning" is the reason a player would join up here.

[Mongoose]

You cannot battle against a manned ack.

Yes you can. I've done it.  A quick run with a rocket or guns, and the manned ack is down.

Manned acks are a cheap way to ruin sorties when the player should be forced to have to roll an aircraft or tank to defend the base.

Right, because you want to force everyone to play the way you want the game played. 

People would much rather die to a computer AAA than a manned ack when they are dive bombing a base.

I wouldn't. I would rather not get shot down at all. But that's part of the game, whether it is computer AAA, or manned ack, or a wirble, or another airplane.

If a player in a manned ack blows your wing off right away after flying 15 minutes to Jabo the field. It's not really worth your time is it?

The same could be said if I get picked off by a 262 zooming in as I am lining up on my target.  It's all part of the risk you take when attacking a base.  If you don't like manned ack, kill the guns and be done with it.  I find killing manned ack much easier than killing a wirble or another plane.  It's all part of the game.

[Ciaphas]

Do you think players are paying $15 a month to sit in a gun? Even Vilkas....a gunner in WWII, FLEW in the game, not just sat in a gun. I highly doubt that "gunning" is the reason a player would join up here.

I think people pay to play the way they see fit.

perhaps people aren't sitting in the guns as much as you think they are. You might be over a field and player X is in an 88. what happens when you leave the field, does player X stay in guns or does he move to something else? 


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[The Fugitive]

I think people pay to play the way they see fit.

perhaps people aren't sitting in the guns as much as you think they are. You might be over a field and player X is in an 88. what happens when you leave the field, does player X stay in guns or does he move to something else? 


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I was flying this weekend, on flight it was me (p38j) vs a pony, under 5k. He made a single pass and ran 20 miles to his base where he spent the next 5 minutes running through the ack while an 88 was popping rounds around me. I wish film recorded players in guns.... ALL guns. Im sure there was at least one gunner on the field other than the 88. I flew away... pony landed his kill.... Im assuming as there was no "so and so landed X kills in a pony". While heading back toward where the fight....< LOL! started an enemy GV base, i get jumped by a 109 and a 190 I think. The guns are firing and there is at least one wirble out. All for one little old P38. At least HALF the players in the area on the ground in an air combat game.

Thats is one of the biggest problems with this game. Stop taking the easy way out, come fight me! Many players feel this way. If you dont want to FIGHT, save the $15 and go see a movie or two.

[Ciaphas]

I was flying this weekend, on flight it was me (p38j) vs a pony, under 5k. He made a single pass and ran 20 miles to his base where he spent the next 5 minutes running through the ack while an 88 was popping rounds around me. I wish film recorded players in guns.... ALL guns. Im sure there was at least one gunner on the field other than the 88. I flew away... pony landed his kill.... Im assuming as there was no "so and so landed X kills in a pony". While heading back toward where the fight....< LOL! started an enemy GV base, i get jumped by a 109 and a 190 I think. The guns are firing and there is at least one wirble out. All for one little old P38. At least HALF the players in the area on the ground in an air combat game.

Thats is one of the biggest problems with this game. Stop taking the easy way out, come fight me! Many players feel this way. If you dont want to FIGHT, save the $15 and go see a movie or two.

so the problem is people hiding in their own AAA. Find another target because the person hiding in the AAA would be a terrible waste of ammo IMHO.


Perhaps looking for a new sector to battle i  would be best in your situation.

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[Ack-Ack]

The problem isn't manned guns, those that think it is doesn't get Oldman's post.  Those players in the manned guns are just going to avoid a fight in another way.

[Ciaphas]

The problem isn't manned guns, those that think it is doesn't get Oldman's post.  Those players in the manned guns are just going to avoid a fight in another way.

 Defense is part of the fight, is it not?


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[LilMak]

so the problem is people hiding in their own AAA. Find another target because the person hiding in the AAA would be a terrible waste of ammo IMHO.


Perhaps looking for a new sector to battle i  would be best in your situation.

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I think having to look for fight in a game where I pay to engage other players is a waste of time and money.

And taking out 88s is boring and not really worth my time. I don’t have the same problem with 37s or wirbs. They have shorter range and players don’t park in them.

“If everyone was doing this, would this game be any fun?” The answer for  88s is “No.”