T34 85 time for perk upgrade

[Arlo]

Arlo if you follow the thread it started with the t34 85 being perked too low based on how good it was in AH3. We identified that part of it was the terrain which features mostly short range engagements thus making a large set of vehicles hangar queens and that it would be a nice addition to gameplay if we had greater variety of terrains to keep things interesting. That is a valid observation regardless of who spends their Sunday afternoons making maps.

I follow threads fine. I addressed your latest input in it.

[atlau]

Arlo then you clearly missed where bustr interjected his latest essay about making maps and that he didnt care about that specific observation despite nobody asking him specifically to make said map.

[Arlo]

Arlo then you clearly missed where bustr interjected his latest essay about making maps and that he didnt care about that specific observation despite nobody asking him specifically to make said map.

What part of "I follow threads fine" confused you? Even your interpretation.

[atlau]

I think the part you missed was bustr was implying that I wanted him to make a map with a certain feature when I never asked him to make anything.

[Arlo]

I think the part you missed was bustr was implying that I wanted him to make a map with a certain feature when I never asked him to make anything.

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I dont think anyone is saying there are too many trees. Just that it would be nice to have to be some variety in cover that would lead people to use different tools (tanks) based on the situation. Some desert terrains or open plains, and some forest terrains. Simulating the different environment of ww2.

Once you traipsed down the 'this would be nice' path you opened yourself up to such. Who seems to be missing what (even in their own posts)?

[atlau]

That was not a request for bustr to do anything. That's the part you missed. This is a wish list thread. I wish for a Corvette does not mean I am asking you to buy me one.

Back on topic from this derail.

1. The t34 85 is very good and its perk cost does not do it justice
2. Terrains that feature more long range combat would allow other tanks to shine and see more use.

[Arlo]

2. Is not the OP topic.

[atlau]

Either you increase the perk cost or need to provide other avenues for combat so the t34 does not dominate the AH3 ground war. That's just another logical alternative solution to the problem the OP is trying to address.

 You really insist in derailing.

[Arlo]

Either you increase the perk cost or need to provide other avenues for combat so the t34 does not dominate the AH3 ground war. That's just another logical alternative solution to the problem the OP is trying to address.

 You really insist in derailing.

It's not like you're great at keeping the train on the tracks, Tony.

[atlau]

At least I'm trying to identify solutions to the issue. What are you offering?

[Arlo]

At least I'm trying to identify solutions to the issue. What are you offering?

The perspective that the 'issue' is overblown. This is how opinion works.

[ACE]

I think we are now in 2019 and a little less bush nicely trimmed in the right places is always appreciated.


semp

Get this man an award for signature of the year.

[bustr]

Hitech likes data collected from his game.

I created a gunnery range for tanks that allows me to spawn in at 2000yds facing a drone 90deg to it's side on level ground. I tested shooting for the T34\85, Tiger1\2, Panther and Firefly at 2000, 1500 and 1000. I did the same with the PanzerH, T34\76 and M4\76 but only at 2000 and 1500 since 1000 will be pretty obvious. Testing at 1000 was to reach the range the T34\85 could take a Tiger2 with a single Hv or AP round.

Shooter-----Target
2000yd -----Tiger2-----Tiger1-----Panther-----Firefly-----T34\85-----T34\76-----PanzerH-----M4\76
Tiger2--------1AP-------1AP-------1AP---------1AP--------1AP
Tiger1--------2AP-------1AP-------1AP---------1AP--------1AP
Panther------2AP--------2AP-------1AP-- ------1AP--------1AP
Firefly--------2AP-------1AP-------1AP---------1AP--------1AP
T34\85---HvNef\12AP--2Hv\2AP--3Hv\1AP----1Hv\1AP----2Hv\1AP
T34\76---Hv\AP\Noef---Noef----19Hv\3AP- --2Hv\1AP---13Hv\12AP--6Hv\6AP----5Hv\1AP----6Hv\1Ap
PanzerH------7AP-------2AP-------1AP---------1AP--------1AP--------1AP---------1AP--------1AP
M4\76--------9AP-------4AP------2AP----------1AP--------2AP--------1AP---------1AP--------1AP


Shooter-----Target
1500yd -----Tiger2-----Tiger1-----Panther-----Firefly-----T34\85-----T34\76-----PanzerH-----M4\76
Tiger2--------1AP-------1AP-------1AP---------1AP--------1AP
Tiger1--------1AP-------1AP-------1AP---------1AP--------1AP
Panther------1AP--------1AP-------1AP-- ------1AP--------1AP
Firefly--------1AP-------1AP-------1AP---------1AP--------1AP
T34\85-----5Hv\2AP--2Hv\1AP---1Hv\1AP----1Hv\1AP----1Hv\1AP
T34\76---Hv\AP\Noef---Noef-----2Hv\2AP- --2Hv\1AP----1Hv\1AP----4Hv\2AP----2Hv\1AP----4Hv\2Ap
PanzerH------3AP-------2AP-------1AP---------1AP--------1AP--------1AP---------1AP--------1AP
M4\76--------5AP-------2AP-------1AP------ --1AP--------1AP--------1AP---------1AP--------1AP


Shooter-----Target
1000yd -----Tiger2-----Tiger1
T34\85-----1Hv\1AP--1Hv\1AP
T34\76---Hv\AP\Noef---Noef

So atlau when did you get off your "opinion" and build a tool to pull a subset of Hitech's game data to introduce into the discussion? You tried to dissemble by moving the goal post and wanting data from other angle shots as though now I had to work the new data set for your vlaidation of my work dismissing the data I presented. You didn't get off your "opinion" and make your own tool, pull that data, and present it to add to the discussion. Small minded and lame like sub discussions at reddit. I to pay $14.95, then back up my opinions with data.

Where is your data Oh mighty opinioned one.....

[atlau]

No I was just curious since you were presenting all that info. My data regarding perk price is simple. Economics. The t34 is used a lot. It must be used a lot for a good reason. It's a great value at its perk cost. Simple.

Since you have unlimited time, how many 303.rounds does it take to kill a t2?

[FBKampfer]

So atlau when did you get off your "opinion" and build a tool to pull a subset of Hitech's game data to introduce into the discussion? You tried to dissemble by moving the goal post and wanting data from other angle shots as though now I had to work the new data set for your vlaidation of my work dismissing the data I presented. You didn't get off your "opinion" and make your own tool, pull that data, and present it to add to the discussion. Small minded and lame like sub discussions at reddit. I to pay $14.95, then back up my opinions with data.

Where is your data Oh mighty opinioned one.....

You haven't posted much of an opinion. Especially with regard to the T-34's perk price, or why it's heavily used.

You posted your data table, explained your method without explaining where you see relevance to the current topic, wibbled about how none of us read your table, and then effectively bailed from the discussion.


To be frank, your tables only confirm what is intuitively understood by most; bigger calibers generally do more damage, and damage decreases with range. Granted there may be some use in knowing whether or not you can tank a hit if you know the range of your shooter, but beyond that, it has little practical value.