« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Down

Author Topic: How do you dogfight with hatview?  (Read 3980 times)

Offline Lusche

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 23931
      • Last.FM Profile
How do you dogfight with hatview?
« on: January 20, 2019, 06:57:38 PM »
Seriously, how do you do it? How did I do it 14 years ago?  :headscratch:

Even after two weeks of practicing I can not figure it out any more. First I thought "I'm just rusty, give it time", but it seems as if 15k hours using TrackIr has destroyed any ability to think differently anymore. I don't make any progress.
Even when attacking non maneuvering bombers I can hardly keeping track of our relative positions, my old frontal quarter overhead attacks are right off the table - I have to resort to high 6 attacks if I actually want to land any hits. And my first Komet sortie resulted in an instant collision  :ahand

Was using a TrackIr really such an advantage (took me onlöy a few days to move from hat views to TIR back in the day), or is it just my age that prevents me rewiring?  :uhoh


/rant
Logged
Steam: DrKalv
E:D Snailman

In November 2025, Lusche will return for a 20th anniversary tour. Get your tickets now!

Offline CptTrips

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8542
Re: How do you dogfight with hatview?
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2019, 07:01:42 PM »
Quote from: Lusche on January 20, 2019, 06:57:38 PM
Seriously, how do you do it? How did I do it 14 years ago?  :headscratch:

Even after two weeks of practicing I can not figure it out any more. First I thought "I'm just rusty, give it time", but it seems as if 15k hours using TrackIr has destroyed any ability to think differently anymore. I don't make any progress.
Even when attacking non maneuvering bombers I can hardly keeping track of our relative positions, my old frontal quarter overhead attacks are right off the table - I have to resort to high 6 attacks if I actually want to land any hits. And my first Komet sortie resulted in an instant collision  :ahand

Was using a TrackIr really such an advantage (took me onlöy a few days to move from hat views to TIR back in the day), or is it just my age that prevents me rewiring?  :uhoh


/rant


Wait until you try VR.

It will make IR feel as clumsy and awkward as a hat-switch.

Logged
Toxic, psychotic, self-aggrandizing drama queens simply aren't worth me spending my time on.

Offline Vulcan

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9913
Re: How do you dogfight with hatview?
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2019, 07:31:16 PM »
The worst thing is trying to play non-VR after using VR for a year or more.
Logged

Offline perdue3

  • Aces High CM Staff
  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4692
Re: How do you dogfight with hatview?
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2019, 07:44:19 PM »
Quote from: Lusche on January 20, 2019, 06:57:38 PM
but it seems as if 15k hours using TrackIr has destroyed any ability to think differently anymore. I don't make any progress

Immanuel Kant referred to this type of thinking and these types of barriers as "guardians."
Logged
C.O. Kommando Nowotny 

FlyKommando.com

 

Offline atlau

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1221
Re: How do you dogfight with hatview?
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2019, 09:13:24 PM »
Quote from: Vulcan on January 20, 2019, 07:31:16 PM
The worst thing is trying to play non-VR after using VR for a year or more.

Been playing non vr for a few weeks while I get my headset back. I do so much better without it lol
Logged

Offline popeye

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3704
Re: How do you dogfight with hatview?
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2019, 09:14:14 PM »
Tried TrackIR and gave up.  The cap made my scalp itch.    :headscratch:
Logged
KONG

Where is Major Kong?!?

Offline The Fugitive

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18230
      • Fugi's Aces Help
Re: How do you dogfight with hatview?
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2019, 09:23:14 PM »
Im still faster with my thumb on a hat switch. While VR seems to afford better tracking.... like it much better than TrackIR.... I still have my thumb twitching over the hat switch..... which screws me up these days. :)
Logged

Offline CptTrips

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8542
Re: How do you dogfight with hatview?
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2019, 09:34:24 PM »
Quote from: The Fugitive on January 20, 2019, 09:23:14 PM
Im still faster with my thumb on a hat switch. While VR seems to afford better tracking.... like it much better than TrackIR.... I still have my thumb twitching over the hat switch..... which screws me up these days. :)

Don't you use both?  Like look back with the hat switch and lean left and right around the head rest.  Don't have to twist your necks around. 
Logged
Toxic, psychotic, self-aggrandizing drama queens simply aren't worth me spending my time on.

Offline DaddyAce

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1248
Re: How do you dogfight with hatview?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2019, 10:23:03 PM »
I use my hat switch with VR; my old neck is not so turny anymore.   :old:
Logged

Offline 1stpar3

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3734
Re: How do you dogfight with hatview?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2019, 11:33:44 PM »
Quote from: popeye on January 20, 2019, 09:14:14 PM
Tried TrackIR and gave up.  The cap made my scalp itch.    :headscratch:
Check out NaturalPoint's "Trac clip pro", it mounts to your headset and gives better tracking. Its only around 15bucks, but well worth it. I hated the Hat clip also :aok
Logged
"Life is short,break the rules,forgive quickly,kiss slowly,love truly,laugh uncontrollably,and never regret anything that made you smile."  “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.”- Mark Twain

Offline 8thJinx

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 992
Re: How do you dogfight with hatview?
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2019, 12:32:21 AM »
If I ever got VR, my wife would throw all my crap out onto the lawn and make me sleep outside.
Logged
Join Date: Nov 2012

B-24H Liberator SN 294837-T, "The Jinx", 848th BS, 490th BG, 8th AF, RAF Station Eye, delivered 1943.  Piloted by Lt. Thomas Keyes, named by by his crew, and adorned with bad luck symbols, the aircraft survived the entire war.

Offline fd ski

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1530
      • http://www.northotwing.com/wing/
Re: How do you dogfight with hatview?
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2019, 12:48:13 AM »
if you had no choice you'd be back to proficiency with hatswitch in couple of days :)

VR is sure where it's at...
Logged

Offline Shuffler

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 27311
Re: How do you dogfight with hatview?
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2019, 01:12:27 AM »
Quote from: fd ski on January 21, 2019, 12:48:13 AM
VR is sure where it's at...

Only if you like low quality visuals.
Logged
80th FS "Headhunters"

S.A.P.P.- Secret Association Of P-38 Pilots (Lightning In A Bottle)

Offline bozon

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6037
Re: How do you dogfight with hatview?
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2019, 03:08:19 AM »
Keypad views are the only way to go. :old:

I mean, that and dial phones.
Logged
Mosquito VI - twice the spitfire, four times the ENY.

Click!>> "So, you want to fly the wooden wonder" - <<click!
the almost incomplete and not entirely inaccurate guide to the AH Mosquito.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGOWswdzGQs

Offline ccvi

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2074
      • http://www.carl-eike-hofmeister.de/
Re: How do you dogfight with hatview?
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2019, 03:20:47 AM »
Perspective error. If distance between eyes, screen width, and fov don't fit, there's an increasing perspective error with increasing distance from the center. With TrackIR you're keeping what you want to see in the center, free of errors.

Get closer to the screen. Get reading glasses to avoid calibrating eyes for nearsightedness.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Up
« previous next »