Boeing 737 800 MAX

[Vraciu]

This 100%. It baffles me you guys in here just want a potentially dangerous aircraft flying around. I don’t care about anything but the lives of people. Ground the jet. Fix it move on no more lives lost.

We would rather the actual issues be addressed rather than publicity-motivated grandstanding and reflexive overreactions.

I'll just leave this right here:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremybogaisky/2018/11/28/lion-air-crash-report-raises-questions-about-maintenance-and-pilots-actions/#da7232445c43

When your jet starts doing funky stuff you press the quick disconnect button and hold it, pitch/power/performance to a safe condition, and call for the appropriate abnormal checklist, a concept these Children of the Magenta don't seem to grasp.

[Zimme83]

Noone questioning that, The Lion air plane should have been on ground but that doesnt change the fact that 2 brand new planes have crashed under similar circumstances. And Ethiopian, unlike Lion air, have a very good reputation and is a respectable airline.

[Vraciu]

Noone questioning that, The Lion air plane should have been on ground but that doesnt change the fact that 2 brand new planes have crashed under similar circumstances. And Ethiopian, unlike Lion air, have a very good reputation and is a respectable airline.

It changes everything.   If accurate, this is a clear failure of maintenance and training.   One crew did it right and squawked the jet.   Maintenance didn't fix it.   The next crew apparently did it wrong and crashed.   So by all means let's blame Boeing!

[Zimme83]

https://www.apnews.com/0cd5389261f34b01a7cbdb1a12421e27
The MAX have issues for sure, the question is still if there are cases where these issues render the plane uncontrollable.

[Vraciu]

https://www.apnews.com/0cd5389261f34b01a7cbdb1a12421e27
The MAX have issues for sure, the question is still if there are cases where these issues render the plane uncontrollable.

Do you even know what a NASA report is?  Primarily it's a CYA when YOU screw up, not the jet.   And a grand total of...wait for it: two.   I gotta lie down. 

No, they do not "have issues for sure."

Good grief.

[Max]

It's nice to see ACHOO revv'd up again!!!

[ACE]

I get it now. It all makes sense. puma and Vraciu have stock in Boeing. Sorry for messing up your guys dividends!!

[Vraciu]

I get it now. It all makes sense. puma and Vraciu have stock in Boeing. Sorry for messing up your guys dividends!!

Heck, I just bought stock at a discount.  Gonna make MAD money now. 


I am no apologist for Boeing.   Embraer makes the best airliners on the planet for my money.   But all this hysteria is a ploy.   

[ACE]

It’s not a ploy. It’s not a knee jerk. It’s saftey. The main thing airlines stand for. If you really can’t see that I can’t help you

[Busher]

I flew in the airline industry for 36 years. If I were a 737 Max8 pilot today, I would not be worried to go to work.
The airplane has displayed excellent service at my former airline and many others in Canada and the USA; and I believe the airplane will be exonerated when the facts are known.
Consider for a moment the repercussions of a worldwide grounding. Some airlines may fail and certainly many people will lose their jobs. When the airplane has had a clean record in North America for 2 years and thousands of flights, please re-think this issue.

[Zimme83]

Economy and issues like that cannot be considered in such cases. Agencies like FAA and EASA should take these decisions solely based on safety.

[ACE]

Economy and issues like that cannot be considered in such cases. Agencies like FAA and EASA should take these decisions solely based on safety.

Yep

[Vraciu]

It’s not a ploy. It’s not a knee jerk. It’s saftey. The main thing airlines stand for. If you really can’t see that I can’t help you

You're going to ground an entire fleet at the cost of $5-10B all because some pilots can't fly--or whatever other reason you care to invent based on zero evidence.  Brilliant plan.  /sarcasm

[Vraciu]

I flew in the airline industry for 36 years. If I were a 737 Max8 pilot today, I would not be worried to go to work.
The airplane has displayed excellent service at my former airline and many others in Canada and the USA; and I believe the airplane will be exonerated when the facts are known.
Consider for a moment the repercussions of a worldwide grounding. Some airlines may fail and certainly many people will lose their jobs. When the airplane has had a clean record in North America for 2 years and thousands of flights, please re-think this issue.

These guys would rather grandstand than think. 

[Vraciu]

Economy and issues like that cannot be considered in such cases. Agencies like FAA and EASA should take these decisions solely based on safety.

One has decided* based on safety--the FAA.   The jet is still flying.

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*They'll probably cave to the pressure from Snowflake Nation though.