Author Topic: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch  (Read 7828 times)

Offline Vraciu

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I'm working on updating this skin but am finding photos hard to come by.   One source says Grosshuesch always painted the number 33 on his airplane but all the profiles I've found of his P-51 show the number 10 on the tail.     Can anyone help me out?


https://books.google.com/books?id=UywVDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=Leroy+Grosshuesch+P-51+Little+Girl&source=bl&ots=tfjV5jgofU&sig=ACfU3U3nNT6TKBlSWdAhjMqK2aYGetm_Rg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiy-Nn_o7XkAhVJOq0KHbhwAD4Q6AEwDHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=Leroy%20Grosshuesch%20P-51%20Little%20Girl&f=false
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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2019, 01:32:43 AM »
Close as I can get you.
It may be a mistake with the number 33 being on all his planes from that link. Per one profile I have the #10 is reserved for the CO. Maybe they meant #10?


http://cobraintheclouds.com/colonelleegrosshuesch.html




The profiles from this book are not always 100% accurate as you can see the font is not a match to the photo above.





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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2019, 08:04:54 AM »
Close enough.   Thanks. 

The 33 is visible on pictures of his P-47.   Maybe they meant those and not the Mustang.   

Thanks a lot. 

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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2019, 09:10:49 AM »
Close enough.   Thanks. 

The 33 is visible on pictures of his P-47.   Maybe they meant those and not the Mustang.   

Thanks a lot.

Per the profile he had two jugs #33 was his first # 10 was his second.

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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2019, 09:28:04 AM »
Per the profile he had two jugs #33 was his first # 10 was his second.

That would explain it.    The profile I posted may just be wrong/unclear.  Thanks again. 
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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2019, 11:56:56 AM »
Thought I had seen this photo before.


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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2019, 12:14:44 PM »
Nice one.

This shows the referenced 33.   

I'm going with the 10.

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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2019, 12:37:49 PM »
Close as I can get you.
It may be a mistake with the number 33 being on all his planes from that link. Per one profile I have the #10 is reserved for the CO. Maybe they meant #10?


http://cobraintheclouds.com/colonelleegrosshuesch.html

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The profiles from this book are not always 100% accurate as you can see the font is not a match to the photo above.

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The profile shows the black bordering the blue on the nose going all the way around but the photo seems to indicate it is only on the area in front of the nose art and exhaust stack.   What say you?
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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2019, 05:19:08 PM »
Another research photo from SAS 1946 dot com. LIttle Girl is second from the left. Different blue shading... but it's the second photo that matches what Lyric found.

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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2019, 05:24:03 PM »
In Kagero's Fighters Over Japan Part II paint decals sets, it also has Leroy's P-51's exact colour scheme. Those guys are a little nutty over the accuracy of their stuff.

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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2019, 05:45:51 PM »
In Kagero's Fighters Over Japan Part II paint decals sets, it also has Leroy's P-51's exact colour scheme. Those guys are a little nutty over the accuracy of their stuff.

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Where do they source their conclusions?

I'm really focused now on the blue aft of the spinner.   The profiles all show the black border going all the way around the nose but the photo seems to show something different.

Any thoughts?
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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2019, 12:13:14 AM »

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The profile shows the black bordering the blue on the nose going all the way around but the photo seems to indicate it is only on the area in front of the nose art and exhaust stack.   What say you?

Found a cleaner image pretty much explains it's self. Solid line different thickness all around except top half?
Also looks like blue tips on prop then yellow further in.

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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2019, 12:59:42 PM »
Found a cleaner image pretty much explains it's self. Solid line different thickness all around except top half?
Also looks like blue tips on prop then yellow further in.

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Thanks.   :aok

Yeah, the top half doesn’t have the black border.   That’s really odd. 

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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2019, 01:02:04 PM »
That photo also shows different wing bands than I had.   Looks like black-white-black on the airplane next to Little Girl.    Can’t quite see the subject airplane’s as well.   
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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "LITTLE GIRL" Leroy Grosshuesch
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2019, 01:47:41 PM »
It looks like the crew member who painted the words Little Girl, then used the same paint to broaden and darken the forward boarder line to give a visual continuity to the letters. Visually it gives the size of the letter script a boarder to help it look like it belongs in that spot. Kind of like hand painted signs on houses and buildings in the US during that era. The painter framed the picture which helps draw your eye to the letters. Contrast that to the rest of the tarmac line up and you see the standard boarder is the thinner less obvious boarder line.

I think the authors of some of the color profile plates either never saw this large closeup picture or, themselves wanted aesthetic continuity versus faithful historic reproduction. Given the angle of the sun based on the prop shadow and what we know about the smoothness of the skin cross section at the juncture the line is following. That is not a shadow but an intentional widening of the line. 
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