The so called "Dueling Arena" is a JOKE!

[DmonSlyr]

enlighten me


semp

We are talking about the dynamics of the match play arena and why it's not working and why no one is in there on the regular. The only name change I suggested was changing the AvA to team death match arena with non perked planes. Thats different than changing a title with a different color.

[The Fugitive]

Not sure why you guys even ask for things to change. This game will be what it is until it's gone.

Unfortunately I have to agree. No new planes, no new dynamics, no changes to game play.

The only changes we will see are to maps, skins and scenarios, all player generated. Sad that the players work harder to keep the game more interesting than the company that runs it.

[guncrasher]

We are talking about the dynamics of the match play arena and why it's not working and why no one is in there on the regular. The only name change I suggested was changing the AvA to team death match arena with non perked planes. Thats different than changing a title with a different color.

dude name of arena dont matter, just ask them to change the settings to what you ask, they will do it, they did it for me.  you can call peace of crap, but if you bring players, the name wont matter.

semp

[Slade]

Hurricanes...my but...they could out climb , out turn and pull seven plus G's

Unless that arena allows for plane specs changing, the Hurri IIc experiences damage when flying over 450 mph.  Also, its turn radius is good at 518.  There are other planes that have a better turn radius (zero, ki-43 etc.).

My stats page: http://oracledba.help/app/ww2planes/index.php?n=Site.PlaneStats

I hope this helps.

X15 

[Peanut1]

Unfortunately I have to agree. No new planes, no new dynamics, no changes to game play.

The only changes we will see are to maps, skins and scenarios, all player generated. Sad that the players work harder to keep the game more interesting than the company that runs it.

you think Hitech would sell to a player with the money to keep it going? I know a guy that would be quite interested.

[hazmatt]

I'm sure it depends on how much money he's willing to pay for it.

[Max]

you think Hitech would sell to a player with the money to keep it going? I know a guy that would be quite interested.

At this point, the game/business is more or less a fixed income annuity to Dale. Make him an offer he can't refuse 

[Ramesis]

I can't blame Dale... with what appears as the loss of players, He has to do something
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[DmonSlyr]

I think a lot of time went into the match play arena, some good things came out of it, like the airspawn dueling aspect. But there are many caveats that make it too complicated. Then you have AI that don't even fly their modeled capability. I don't think that has shown to be a good thing. Then you have a scoring system, which is not necessary and leads to timid fighting. Now there is really no place to just go in and have a few quick fights with the guys without worrying about the complexity of the MA and scoring. Hitech just needs to write it off and go back to the drawing board on this one. TA57 refused to budge and bring a different map to his FFA which is why it didn't gain much popularity. I honestly can not stand the furball lake for FFA. It's too big, too easy to gang with teams, and only flying over the water is boring. Then the map is just too big all together with too many bases. I dream of an airspawn fighter bowl less than 1/2 sector that puts people into a quick engagement, very much like the H2H FFA that got H2H closed back in the day. That arena I believe had over 20 people in it and was so fun that day.  Unfortunately, we only have 1 night that type of fight exist and that is Monday MNM in 2 hours where a very limited # of people can play that night including me. I wish we had MNM every day 24/7. I can't run this type of arena all day and most people cant. So please why can't we just have MNM every day 24/7. I just dont get why this is so complicated?

[hazmatt]

Is there a reason an arena can't stay up 24/7? I don't know much about the setups but I don't understand why the MNM thing can't stay up all week. Obviously I'm missing something.

[Wiley]

The problem with 24/7 MNM is, it's like FSO, it's an agreed upon time with a specific purpose so people who can make time at that specific hour.  If they just left the arena up like that, people would trickle in and trickle out same as the MA or DA type arenas.  They'd always appear empty.

Wiley.

[nrshida]

  Hope all's well with you & yours, Shida

Wot ho old chap, keeping your minimum airspeed up I hope! 

TA57 refused to budge and bring a different map to his FFA which is why it didn't gain much popularity.

There are many reasons for that other than the terrain. Non-official HTC & squad maps never gain popularity. Furthermore an arena where it is you, your machine and your ACM versus the jungle, with no environmemtal support isn't going to be attractive to a high percentage of the remaining MA loiterers / exploiters. Too ego and expectation-confrontational.

I honestly can not stand the furball lake for FFA.

You are the only competant ACM-head I've ever met who says this. Can't you swim in real life? I love fighting over the water, it's heights I don't like. Do you know once dipping your wingtips in the water threw a roost but at a given release it stopped working? Ask me how I know. Sure it had its faults. Some of those could be fixed by simply making the area a single country, so everyone's your opponent like Koth.

'Perfect solutions' aside, unlocking A1, A2 & A3 at the lake would be a start and take about two minutes to alter the arena settings. First time on this forum I've seen so many state that 'nothing will be changed' or worlds to that effect. So I don't have high-hopes of even that.

Well, plenty to do elsewhere...

[CptTrips]

. TA57 refused to budge and bring a different map to his FFA which is why it didn't gain much popularity.

If you remember, last year I created you a custom terrain to your specifications and set it up on a spare machine to run a custom arena 24/7 for over a month.

You popped in a couple of times. Bixby popped in a couple of times. A couple of other people popped in briefly. But other than that it sat empty.

It might have fared slightly better if it was on the front tab, but the fundamental problem you’re always going to have Is that unless it is a pre-scheduled event such as MNM or FSO or Scenario, you’ll have a really hard time getting anyone to ever go in there rather than just click on the MA button.

[DmonSlyr]

"Some of those could be fixed by simply making the area a single country, so everyone's your opponent like Koth."

Yes, that is a key point. It makes it so that there are no teams that can gang when the #s are uneven.

The furball lake was just huge and with teams it allowed ganging. I'd prefer one of these new AvA maps with terrain and water mixed it. Just makes it a prettier sight. Sometimes the water can be hard to judge depth perception. I also think adding an airspawn is the way to go this puts people right in the action.

If you remember, last year I created you a custom terrain to your specifications and set it up on a spare machine to run a custom arena 24/7 for over a month.

You popped in a couple of times. Bixby popped in a couple of times. A couple of other people popped in briefly. But other than that it sat empty.

It might have fared slightly better if it was on the front tab, but the fundamental problem you’re always going to have Is that unless it is a pre-scheduled event such as MNM or FSO or Scenario, you’ll have a really hard time getting anyone to ever go in there rather than just click on the MA button.

Wish I could remember that. Which arena did you use? Did it have air spawns and was all teams one side?

I do think the Tabs makes a huge thing. I recon most people don't even realize there are tabs.

I'd rather just Hitech have an open fighter bowl rather than depend on custom arenas that force the creator to have to stay there. I just think the DA should be it'd own map, the AI fighting should be it's own map, and free fight quick action furballing should be it's own map. Having them all in one is too complicated and isn't working, especially when you cannot pick teams in the dueling part, cannot fight where you want, and flying against over modeled AI. It's just not a good look to me.

[CptTrips]

I'd rather just Hitech have an open fighter bowl rather than depend on custom arenas that force the creator to have to stay there.

I understand. If I remember correctly, the idea was I built the terrain exactly as you requested and I think I even made some tweaks based on your feedback and I set up the arena settings exactly the way you wanted and we would try it in a custom arena to see if it would get any traffic worth considering, and if so then we would have some evidence to show Hitech to get him to set something up similar on the front tab.

It remained empty. I’m not convinced it would be any better on the front tab.

I’m not at my home computer, but I assume that terrain is still in the list. I think it was something like FFA Furball or something like that.  A couple of fields around a fire bowl less than a sector apart and it had arena configured to wear all fields were same team with kill shooter off.