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Offline TryHard

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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2021, 07:19:31 PM »
Kyle did nothing wrong.

And i have no idea how anything about this case has anything to do with racism but that's what some political commentators are suggesting which is just blows my mind.

God bless america


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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2021, 07:21:41 PM »
no.

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Since you can't accept observable fact as observable fact, there is no point discussing the matter with you. 

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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2021, 07:31:45 PM »
Kyle did nothing wrong.

And i have no idea how anything about this case has anything to do with racism but that's what some political commentators are suggesting which is just blows my mind.

God bless america

God knows he was there to save the day.... just disappointed he forgot to ride in on a white stallion.
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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2021, 07:52:31 PM »
God knows he was there to save the day.... just disappointed he forgot to ride in on a white stallion.

HE SAVED THE DAY

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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2021, 07:56:29 PM »
Since you can't accept observable fact as observable fact, there is no point discussing the matter with you.

if I ask you to buy a gun I am not legally allowed to buy, we both should be in jail.  it isnt simpler than that.  he wasnt hunting or at a shooting range.


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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #50 on: November 19, 2021, 08:05:08 PM »
he wasnt hunting or at a shooting range.

Well, sorta, apparently. 

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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2021, 08:09:15 PM »
having somebody else buy a gun when you are not able to do it yourself is against the law. the fact that he took possession of it before he was 18, proves it.  had he gone hunting or perhaps a rifle range would have bee ok.  he took a gun and put himself in a position where he had to use it, isnt cool.  had he stayed where he said according to him to "protect property" even though the owner said he never ask him or anybody else to protect it, would have been ok.  but he put himself in a position in a middle of a riot, that is wrong.  fact is those who were there legally to protect and serve never fired a weapon.  only killing was done by him because he put himself in that position.  that's what I think anyway.


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You are mostly incorrect.

The person asking to purchase the firearm is not violating the law. The person purchasing the firearm for said individual who cannot is in violation of the law (straw sale). Possessing the firearm according to the wording of the law in WI was legal.

He wasn't on trial for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Was he an idiot for being there? Yes. Was it against the law for him to be there? Not any more 'against the law' than the other thousands of people there past the 8PM curfew.

Conflicting testimony regarding the business owners. Multiple witnesses testified they were asked or were happy that their businesses were being protected. They testified under oath (which in their case does not mean a whole lot as they don't have any reason to lie or not to lie).

Again, he was not charged with the crime of 'putting himself in a middle of a riot' (also terribly English, but alas).

He discharged his firearm when he was being attacked. In lots of footage during the night and plenty of witnesses and testimony, there was no example of him brandishing the firearm or attempting to intimidate anyone throughout the night. You've likely never had a pistol pointed at your head, so you likely have zero idea what it's like to be on death's door.

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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2021, 08:14:37 PM »
HE SAVED THE DAY

HERO

Oh Lighten up man. No doubt some people though Josef Mengele was an amazing Doctor and Anthropologist.
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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #53 on: November 19, 2021, 08:35:14 PM »
if I ask you to buy a gun I am not legally allowed to buy, we both should be in jail.  it isnt simpler than that.  he wasnt hunting or at a shooting range.


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Yes it is.  You choose to interpret the law to your convenience instead of accepting observable fact that the matter was adjudicated and the actual facts of the law and case were used to determine he lawfully possessed the rifle that night.

You can but... but... but.. it all you want but facts are facts and your opinions do not negate them. 

 

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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2021, 08:42:55 PM »
Yes it is.  You choose to interpret the law to your convenience instead of accepting observable fact that the matter was adjudicated and the actual facts of the law and case were used to determine he lawfully possessed the rifle that night.

You can but... but... but.. it all you want but facts are facts and your opinions do not negate them.

I must change my answer to maybe.  been trying to get info on it.  here's a pretty interesting thing.


https://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2014/06/16/can_someone_else_buy_a_gun_for_you.html


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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2021, 08:46:02 PM »
I must change my answer to maybe.  been trying to get info on it.  here's a pretty interesting thing.


https://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2014/06/16/can_someone_else_buy_a_gun_for_you.html


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If you enduce or encourage or (reward?) someone for commiting a crime for you, is that Conspiracy?

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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2021, 08:46:24 PM »
I must change my answer to maybe.  been trying to get info on it.  here's a pretty interesting thing.


https://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2014/06/16/can_someone_else_buy_a_gun_for_you.html


semp

You can but... but... but.. it all you want but facts are facts and your opinions do not negate them.

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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2021, 09:08:57 PM »
To me, seemed quite obviously self defense.

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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2021, 12:24:33 AM »
Argue away, But None of us heard all of the evidence presented, therefore we know considerably less than the jury does and even less than the court and attorneys…
They're casting their bait over there, see?

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Re: Self defense?
« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2021, 12:49:19 AM »
You can but... but... but.. it all you want but facts are facts and your opinions do not negate them.

dude I accept the fact that he was found innocent.  he was tried he was found not guilty.  do I think he's innocent, no, i do not.  just like oj simpson.  I dont like it but that's just the way it is.


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