Self defense?

[zack1234]

So the KKK isn't made up of conservatives?  They are radical?  Radical Right or Left?  How bout the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Boogaloo boys?  Conservatives or just radicals?  If Antifa represents all liberals, don't those groups represent all conservatives?  Or might Antifa be...wait for it....Radical?

When the Black Panthers protested on the steps of the California Capital armed with shotguns, pistols, carbines etc.  Ronald Reagan and the crew at the time passed the Mulford Act prohibiting open carry.  That was what started California down the road to where it's gun laws are now.

I don't recall any laws passed in Michigan after the open carrying bunch went into their capital?  Wonder what the difference was?  Funny how that works.

Speaking as a center left Democrat who doesn't believe in violence to solve problems.  Am I now Antifa by default?

Centre left Democrat

You are willing to admit to that?

Clinton Obama Biden and their race baiting filth?

Lets see how liberal you are when the Biden inflation has kicked in

Inflation? You have no idea at all have you?

[DmonSlyr]

sure and the lizard people exist.



semp

Here I am trying to bring sides together, and you just mock me. It was Beetlejuice the Mayor of Chicago, on tape proclaiming that it's up to her and them to "Choose people who pledge allegiance to the New World Order". She said it. So how can you be a proud American supporting people who pledge allegiance to the UN agenda 30 and not America? Why do you pretend like their is no agenda? One thing I can stand about the current left.

[rabbidrabbit]

No, welfare is not socialism.  Taxes are not socialism.

Socialism is the government owning all the tractor factories, farms, markets, steel mills, etc.

Canada is a capitalist country.  So are Sweden and Denmark.

North Korea is socialist, not fascist.

Russia?  Sort of a cleptocracy, I guess.

In practice pretty much correct though in general usage Socialism is governmental ownership OR control of industry. 

So, one could reasonably say the US has Socialist elements with Welfare or Social Security.  The "Progressive Socialists" want more of these systems in place while tolerating the rise of Authoritarianism to get there.   

[SIM]

Are you a parent?  Did you raise teenagers and not know what they were doing and whether or not they were wandering around with firearms?

Yeah I am a parent. I raised 5 men that I am extremely proud of, and yes each one of them mis-led me about their intentions at some point or another. That is a part of raising children to adulthood. Each one of my sons have weapons and I would SUPPORT them if they made a hard decision for the right reasons. The rest of the world be damned.

I'm going to ignore the last part.  If you don't know the difference between a kid carrying an AR and a kid carrying a baseball bat, there is nothing I can do to clarify that.

That is the most telling statement you have made to date. The similarity is that both the AR and the baseball bat can be weapons. Both were used in that sort of manner during the Kenosha riots. To quote my earlier post "What if had been a brick, a knife, a ball-bat, what about fireworks, how about a bag with shampoo bottles, a skateboard? What about it being a Glock .40cal pistol?" Each item I listed there was used as a weapon of some sort during the Kenosha riots and others across the nation. 3 of those I listed were used by the instigators of the Rittenhouse trial. If you are so informed, please feel free to tell me where I am wrong? Yet, for the sake of your argument, you will make statements that deny reality.

[rabbidrabbit]

So for the last time.  What angers me as a parent and gun owner is how a 17 year old was in a situation he shouldn’t have been, carrying a weapon he shouldn’t have had. Now the door has been opened for others to do the same. And has shuff has pointed out, we have already see. It with the father and child walking side by side with thier ARs at a protest march

There is no excuse for that in my opinion.  Blaming this, that or the other thing,as the excuse for a kid carrying an AR to a violent protest is pointless. He should not have been there.  Again that is what I feel about what happened.  All the residual excuses for it don’t work.  If he was that fearful of what might happen that he had to take a gun, as a kid, and at 17 he is a kid, he should have stayed home. That his parents didn’t stop him makes it even worse to me. As I said, when my son was 17 he knew his way around ARs and we shot them often in safe settings. Had he done what Rittenhouse did I would have seen it as failure on my part.  No excuses

In what way do you blame his mother?  I'm pretty sure you said she drove him there? 

[Eagler]

Guppy

If you can't separate conservative pov from your Democrat based kkk then yes you are missing some basic reasoning skills..not sure when I have seen them looting and rioting while the media calls it mainly peaceful protests...just another bias media based double standard.

Just skip over the word conservative and go right to the real attack which is faith based..

Eagler

[oboe]

Here I am trying to bring sides together, and you just mock me. It was Beetlejuice the Mayor of Chicago, on tape proclaiming that it's up to her and them to "Choose people who pledge allegiance to the New World Order". She said it. So how can you be a proud American supporting people who pledge allegiance to the UN agenda 30 and not America? Why do you pretend like their is no agenda? One thing I can stand about the current left.

Nope.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-chicago-mayor-conspiracy/fact-check-chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-did-not-advocate-selecting-leaders-who-are-part-of-a-new-world-order-conspiracy-idUSKBN23329E

TLDR version:

In context, Lightfoot used the term “new world order” to reference a dramatic change in power in the political culture of Chicago, not as an allusion to the conspiracy of a totalitarian world government (often referred to as “New World Order”).

VERDICT
False. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot did not advocate choosing leaders who are part of a “New World Order” conspiracy. Her remarks were taken out of context.

[Guppy35]

Centre left Democrat

You are willing to admit to that?

Clinton Obama Biden and their race baiting filth?

Lets see how liberal you are when the Biden inflation has kicked in

Inflation? You have no idea at all have you?

Zack I'd really like to believe you are smarter than your post suggests.  I'll give you credit however for showing why there is no point to these conversations.

[DmonSlyr]

Nope.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-chicago-mayor-conspiracy/fact-check-chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-did-not-advocate-selecting-leaders-who-are-part-of-a-new-world-order-conspiracy-idUSKBN23329E

TLDR version:

In context, Lightfoot used the term “new world order” to reference a dramatic change in power in the political culture of Chicago, not as an allusion to the conspiracy of a totalitarian world government (often referred to as “New World Order”).

VERDICT
False. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot did not advocate choosing leaders who are part of a “New World Order” conspiracy. Her remarks were taken out of context.

  love the mental gymnastics.... "this is what she really meant when she said "bring on people who pledge allegiance to the NWO." Yeah, okay buddy. Remember though, George H W Bush was the first one to mention New World Order in his speech about UN partnership, obviously conservatives at the time didn't understand what that truely meant. HW was a founding member of Skull n Bones out of Yale. Part of the founding of the CIA. He is the literal definition of establishment. I'm also pretty sure another AUS health official used the term recently. You can beat around the bush but agenda 30 is the truth and all you have to do is look it up on their site to see how the democrats are following it to a T. Don't forget the "World" economic forum and their goals. I'm still trying to figure out who this "world government" I didn't elect is forcing a global tax on corporations. Are you truely so oblivious to the agenda?

[guncrasher]

Here I am trying to bring sides together, and you just mock me. It was Beetlejuice the Mayor of Chicago, on tape proclaiming that it's up to her and them to "Choose people who pledge allegiance to the New World Order". She said it. So how can you be a proud American supporting people who pledge allegiance to the UN agenda 30 and not America? Why do you pretend like their is no agenda? One thing I can stand about the current left.

dude you hate reptilian people, that makes you a racist. was even worst you hate a race that doesn't exist.


semp

[rabbidrabbit]

dude you hate reptilian people, that makes you a racist. was even worst you hate a race that doesn't exist.


semp

This post adds as much value to the conversation as pretty much every other conversation you feel compelled to participate in.  With thread cancer like this, there is little wonder why this forum sees so little use. That's a damn shame because I remember the days when it was one of the best I have known.

[TwinBoom]

[RotBaron]

A few of you are stuck on he shouldn’t have been there and that he was 17.

Why shouldn’t he have been there, but all the other people there were ok?

He was charged as an adult so in the eyes of the law his actions were viewed as that of an adult. 

[LCADolby]

A few of you are stuck on he shouldn’t have been there and that he was 17.

Why shouldn’t he have been there, but all the other people there were ok?

He was charged as an adult so in the eyes of the law his actions were viewed as that of an adult.

[Chris79]

A few of you are stuck on he shouldn’t have been there and that he was 17.

Why shouldn’t he have been there, but all the other people there were ok?

He was charged as an adult so in the eyes of the law his actions were viewed as that of an adult.

Here’s my problem. If you go around looking for toejame that’s exactly what your going find. There is plenty enough to go around without having to look for more. Do I lament the passing of pedo and pal, no I don’t, the world is probably better off. I do however lament the social consequences of such events especially when they are easily avoidable. This country is already polarized enough.