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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #75 on: May 27, 2022, 07:05:03 PM »
You live in a 'bubble' if you don't know that a livable wage means enough money to pay for housing, bills, food and transportation (and possible doctor visits).
Indeed. Because they are Old White Males who are totally free and clear of any adversity that they could have possibly experienced in life. They don't realize that life in the 70s and 80s is vastly different than what it is today.

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« Reply #76 on: May 27, 2022, 07:51:53 PM »
Indeed. Because they are Old White Males who are totally free and clear of any adversity that they could have possibly experienced in life. They don't realize that life in the 70s and 80s is vastly different than what it is today.

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« Reply #78 on: May 28, 2022, 12:42:49 AM »
Where capitalism has shortfalls socialism attempts to fill the gap.

From Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize winning economist, columnist for the New York Times, former professor of economics at MIT, professor emeritus at Princeton, Centennial Professor at London School of Economics, (MIT, Princeton, and LSE being three of the top schools of economics in the world), who says that he is a liberal and what would be called a "social democrat" in Europe:

"But who can now use the words of socialism with a straight face? As a member of the baby boomer generation, I can remember when the idea of revolution, of brave men pushing history forward, had a certain glamour. Now it is a sick joke: after all the purges and gulags, Russia was as backward and corrupt as ever; after all the Great Leaps and Cultural Revolutions, China decided that making money is the highest good. There are still radical leftists out there, who stubbornly claim that true socialism has not yet been tried; and there are still moderate leftists, who claim with more justification that one can reject Marxist-Leninism without necessarily becoming a disciple of Milton Friedman. But the truth is that the heart has gone out of the opposition to capitalism."

"[Speaking of countries climbing their way out of abject poverty.]  And once again, capitalism could with considerable justification claim the credit. Socialists had long promised development; there was a time when the Third World looked to Stalin’s five-year plans as the very image of how a backward nation should push itself into the twentieth century. And even after the Soviet Union had lost its aura of progressiveness, many intellectuals believed that only by cutting themselves off from competition with more advanced economies could poor nations hope to break out of their trap. By the 1990s, however, there were role models showing that rapid development was possible after all—and it had been accomplished not through proud socialist isolation but precisely by becoming as integrated as possible with global capitalism."

-- Krugman, Paul. The Return of Depression Economics and the Crisis of 2008

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« Reply #79 on: May 28, 2022, 06:24:18 AM »
Indeed. Because they are Old White Males who are totally free and clear of any adversity that they could have possibly experienced in life. They don't realize that life in the 70s and 80s is vastly different than what it is today.

Married at 19 in 1978 with a son ...stepped out of college into fatherhood unexpectedly :)

Still married at 63 to the same beautiful woman,  two sons and several grandchildren.

Worked my arse off to get here and still experiencing the "adversity" that you think one becomes "free and clear" of at some magical age

Grow up

Ps can't help that I am Italian American which is considered white these days...nor that I am "old" to some

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« Reply #80 on: May 28, 2022, 06:51:24 AM »
If all employers were fair to their employees then there would be less need for federal and state safety nets

There would also be more money growing the economy.

Here in the US you have a choice of who you work for. You actually have a choice.

My post was about burger flipping jobs. They are for high schoolers to make extra money. Too much mooching off everyone else makes some think they deserve some kind of support. They made their own bed and should have to sleep in it. The government has no money. It operates off our money, the people who contribute in this country.

Too many are on handouts that just sit on their porch. Too many on handouts are having kids. We are even giving phones to deadbeats. 
It has just turned into another form of slavery. They will not go find a job because they are ok with what they are given. That needs to stop.

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« Reply #81 on: May 28, 2022, 12:56:58 PM »
Here in the US you have a choice of who you work for. You actually have a choice.

My post was about burger flipping jobs. They are for high schoolers to make extra money. Too much mooching off everyone else makes some think they deserve some kind of support. They made their own bed and should have to sleep in it. The government has no money. It operates off our money, the people who contribute in this country.

Too many are on handouts that just sit on their porch. Too many on handouts are having kids. We are even giving phones to deadbeats. 
It has just turned into another form of slavery. They will not go find a job because they are ok with what they are given. That needs to stop.

Not nearly as much choice as you might like to pretend. Perhaps you missed my mentioning that the manufacturing heyday in the U.S. has given way to the burgeoning service industry. Your 'choices' may well be one of several dozen McDonalds in town or their competitors. But if one can afford welding school while their families wait to eat or have a roof then they might be on the short list with a thousand or more others for the better paying welding job.

No, sorry, the land of 'plenty' became the land of plenty .... for some.

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« Reply #82 on: May 28, 2022, 03:47:45 PM »
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Not nearly as much choice as you might like to pretend. Perhaps you missed my mentioning that the manufacturing heyday in the U.S. has given way to the burgeoning service industry. Your 'choices' may well be one of several dozen McDonalds in town or their competitors. But if one can afford welding school while their families wait to eat or have a roof then they might be on the short list with a thousand or more others for the better paying welding job.

No, sorry, the land of 'plenty' became the land of plenty .... for some.

Right.......and all those people who can't find a good job are out in force looking for something that will offer more for them?
Please then explain why so many large companies are struggling to find employees, I see it EVERY day. And oft times the person who applies for a job will never show up for an interview. I've even seen people come in and explicitly state that they will not take a job because they don't get up before 9am, when the job starts at 7am!

When someone sits on their butt and waits for opportunity, they will be passed by. That is their own damn fault. Not having a living wage job, in this day and age, is ones OWN fault. Not the fault of anyone else.

Government safety nets are worthless when the human element is involved.

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« Reply #83 on: May 28, 2022, 04:08:06 PM »
Government safety nets are worthless when the human element is involved.


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« Reply #84 on: May 29, 2022, 06:21:01 AM »
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Is that the government paying healthy people not to work?

The system was initially setup as a social safety net...that net has become a permanent requirement in their daily lives which it was never intended for but the most disabled

Some, way too many, are happy stealing in whatever form as they have justified it in their pinheads

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #85 on: May 29, 2022, 06:48:02 AM »
Right.......and all those people who can't find a good job are out in force looking for something that will offer more for them?
Please then explain why so many large companies are struggling to find employees, I see it EVERY day. And oft times the person who applies for a job will never show up for an interview. I've even seen people come in and explicitly state that they will not take a job because they don't get up before 9am, when the job starts at 7am!


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« Reply #86 on: May 29, 2022, 12:06:04 PM »
I don't know about you, but I can make a living without doing so in my chosen field.

So yeah, it probably is on YOU!

Either way, do you work at all? That is the "gist" of the conversation. My comment is directed at all the idiots out there that cry about not having a good paying job, yet they sit on their tulips waiting for a handout.

I have NEVER applied for any sort of government safety net. I will NOT do so until such time as I see that my family is going to possibly suffer. I damn sure won't wait till they are already suffering to look for solutions. Safety nets repeatedly encourage people to wait until its almost too late to do anything about their situation. I have no pity/empathy/sympathy/compassion for people such as that.

Maybe you can make it to 100 tries......

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« Reply #87 on: May 29, 2022, 12:08:09 PM »
Try to calm down.

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