The Great Unwinding

[TyFoo]

$15 an hour is only relative to where you live. Maybe thats high for one area, and not enough for another.

One of my favorite eateries closes at 4pm instead of 9pm now because they cannot hire enough people. On the door next to the sign that tells you that they are closing at 4pm is another that says "Hiring apply inside" with a note that pay starts at $18 an hour. With a state unemployment rate of 3.7% the market dictates what is needed to keep employees.

[Shuffler]

$15 an hour is only relative to where you live. Maybe thats high for one area, and not enough for another.

One of my favorite eateries closes at 4pm instead of 9pm now because they cannot hire enough people. On the door next to the sign that tells you that they are closing at 4pm is another that says "Hiring apply inside" with a note that pay starts at $18 an hour. With a state unemployment rate of 3.7% the market dictates what is needed to keep employees.

When socialist pay people to be failures, of course they do not want to work. Some places also have a lot of folks moving away.

My reference was to the failures thinking that flipping burgers is a job to raise a family with. It is for highschoolers to make some spending money.

[Arlo]

When socialist pay people to be failures, of course they do not want to work. Some places also have a lot of folks moving away.

My reference was to the failures thinking that flipping burgers is a job to raise a family with. It is for highschoolers to make some spending money.

Why do you hate farmers? And manufacturing jobs dwindled while the service industry became the main employer in the U.S. High school wasn't supposed to last a lifetime. 

[Eagler]

Corporate greed sent real jobs overseas

Now hamburger flipping and making hotel beds are supposed to provide something other than a very poor existence for grown adults many with children

Add to that our public schools have failed to educate our high school students much past a 9th grade level and we are where we are...America going down the crapper with big gov trying to be its hero but just expediting the fall.

Eagler

[Arlo]

You forgot to back up Shuf's main point that it's all the fault of using taxpayer money to help people survive (or was that what you meant by 'expediting the fall?').

[Eviscerate]

All the olds with their PhDs in Economics. 

[Eagler]

All the olds with their PhDs in Economics. 

Nope just common sense

Eagler

[CptTrips]

When you know the end of the storyline is approaching and there is no escape.  You might as well go out in style. ;o)

[Eagler]

They are all millionaires and billionaires...the economy doesn't affect them..they are just slightly less insanely wealthy

Eagler

[TyFoo]

When socialist pay people to be failures, of course they do not want to work. Some places also have a lot of folks moving away.

My reference was to the failures thinking that flipping burgers is a job to raise a family with. It is for highschoolers to make some spending money.

My bad, I wasn't aware that we were casting aspersions. . . . .I forgot about the tender spot for so called "Socialist" tendencies.

I was only to referring to what I have personally witnessed from one end of the country to the other. in addition I have read a few articles over the past 4 -5 years that were specifically about Fast Food Franchises, most recently two Chic-Fil-A owners, one in Texas and the other "Of Course" in the "Democratic Socialist Republic of California".

The Franchise owner in Texas started paying living wages to his employees back in 1999, reducing employee turnover by 76%, increasing revenue, increased profits and giving him more time for himself and his family etc etc.

Similarly the guy in California met the owner from Texas in 2018 and implemented the same model. Ironically his revenue doubled, profits increased, turn over decreased, and again has more time for himself and family.

Its weird, because on the surface it appeared to be a couple of Free Americans being innovative, thinking outside the box of treating their business and people with 1920's sweat shop ideology, while improving their business, the lives of the people that work for them, as well as themselves. . . . Who knew it wasn't a Win Win situation but rather some clandestine Socialist agenda behind it?

[Eagler]

What were the liveable wages?

Sounds great but ones lifestyle determines if it's liveable to them

Many/most people today have liveable wages though they continue to live past that with credit...another bubble waiting to pop

Eagler

[Arlo]

What were the liveable wages?

Sounds great but ones lifestyle determines if it's liveable to them

Many/most people today have liveable wages though they continue to live past that with credit...another bubble waiting to pop

Eagler

You live in a 'bubble' if you don't know that a livable wage means enough money to pay for housing, bills, food and transportation (and possible doctor visits).

[Shuffler]

Livable wages? Just as I said above.

This is not pointed at anyone here but...
Too many people fail to plan, plan to fail. In the end if you didn't work to better yourself and you have nothing, that is your own fault. If you then expect everyone to feel sorry for you.... too bad. People like that are a burden and take up too much time. Some then choose to bring kids into the world when they can't even support themselves. Failure on so many levels. Then they expect us to support them. Wasted money.

I care about people.... but only the ones who really care about themselves. Those that fail to plan do not care about themselves, so why should we care.

[Arlo]

I care about people.... but only the ones who really care about themselves. Those that fail to plan do not care about themselves, so why should we care.

You care about certain people, I'm sure. Generally speaking (a viewpoint on society), I'm not witnessing much empathy on your part. WE should care because we should all be contributing members of society and we should recognize who really is and who is not taking unfair advantage of our system (hint - no it isn't those struggling to survive from paycheck to paycheck). A living wage should allow for a person to work a 40 hour work week and keep a roof over their head, the lights on, food in their belly, access to medical care and a reasonable method of transport to and from work. Period. It's not a difficult concept. Where capitalism has shortfalls socialism attempts to fill the gap. Been that way in the U.S. since FDR. And this nation can indeed afford such (when everyone pays their fair share in FIT). If all employers were fair to their employees then there would be less need for federal and state safety nets.

[MiloMorai]

If all employers were fair to their employees then there would be less need for federal and state safety nets

There would also be more money growing the economy.