Something you won't find in your mainstream media

[Vulcan]

First this isn't a pro-gun or anti-gun rant. Please keep the thread that way. I wanted to talk about media, and more specifically keep you lot of colonial rejects informed about something you're not being told.

So our Prime Minister Cindy has been over in the USA, and at the time of that horrible school shooting the spotlight has come onto her and our gun laws (ban on MSSAs etc) - and how much better NZ is.

Well... right now we have a full on gang war going on in our biggest city (and it seems to be spreading). There are drive by shootings every day, it's been going on for months. It's also obvious that some of the shootings include the use of banned semi-autos. Just a couple of years ago this would be considered an extremely rare occurrence. It's the leading item on the news every day.

Then to add the cream and cherry, NZ Police left firearm owners information in a abandoned police station. Which was subsequently burgled. They only realized this when they recovered some documents as part of another operation. So at a time of peak gun violence, they have given gangs a shopping list / locations of legal firearms.

And of course none of this has been reported or mentioned in your media.

If you want to read more yourself, google search Killer Beez, Tribesmen, shootings, Auckland New Zealand.

[Arlo]

Fuze lit .... check .... 3 ... 2 ...

[RotBaron]

Our media does sensationalism, not news per se anymore unfortunately. “If it bleeds, it leads.”

California has the most amount of laws intended to stop crimes committed with firearms. California has the most of amount of crimes committed with firearms…

We have gang/drug wars in every city in the US, especially the big ones. On any given weekend in Chicago there are 20-50 people shot, usually kids and young adults - where is the outrage?

Criminals don’t respect laws…

[Arlo]

California has the most amount of laws intended to stop crimes committed with firearms. California has the most of amount of crimes committed with firearms…

Source?

[Shuffler]

First this isn't a pro-gun or anti-gun rant. Please keep the thread that way. I wanted to talk about media, and more specifically keep you lot of colonial rejects informed about something you're not being told.

So our Prime Minister Cindy has been over in the USA, and at the time of that horrible school shooting the spotlight has come onto her and our gun laws (ban on MSSAs etc) - and how much better NZ is.

Well... right now we have a full on gang war going on in our biggest city (and it seems to be spreading). There are drive by shootings every day, it's been going on for months. It's also obvious that some of the shootings include the use of banned semi-autos. Just a couple of years ago this would be considered an extremely rare occurrence. It's the leading item on the news every day.

Then to add the cream and cherry, NZ Police left firearm owners information in a abandoned police station. Which was subsequently burgled. They only realized this when they recovered some documents as part of another operation. So at a time of peak gun violence, they have given gangs a shopping list / locations of legal firearms.

And of course none of this has been reported or mentioned in your media.

If you want to read more yourself, google search Killer Beez, Tribesmen, shootings, Auckland New Zealand.

Interesting for sure. I'll be reading more about it. Thanks.

[JimmyD3]

Source?

You need a source??? try Google.

[guncrasher]

First this isn't a pro-gun or anti-gun rant. Please keep the thread that way. I wanted to talk about media, and more specifically keep you lot of colonial rejects informed about something you're not being told.

So our Prime Minister Cindy has been over in the USA, and at the time of that horrible school shooting the spotlight has come onto her and our gun laws (ban on MSSAs etc) - and how much better NZ is.

Well... right now we have a full on gang war going on in our biggest city (and it seems to be spreading). There are drive by shootings every day, it's been going on for months. It's also obvious that some of the shootings include the use of banned semi-autos. Just a couple of years ago this would be considered an extremely rare occurrence. It's the leading item on the news every day.

Then to add the cream and cherry, NZ Police left firearm owners information in a abandoned police station. Which was subsequently burgled. They only realized this when they recovered some documents as part of another operation. So at a time of peak gun violence, they have given gangs a shopping list / locations of legal firearms.

And of course none of this has been reported or mentioned in your media.

If you want to read more yourself, google search Killer Beez, Tribesmen, shootings, Auckland New Zealand.

how many mass shootings, how many killings.  could you explain that without going into sites that may or may not be biased?  the police station abandoned? was it a recent one? did they have updated info on firearms owners?  how long has it been abandoned?  have the people on the list moved?

semp

[zack1234]

You people don’t read books.

So your views are irrelevant….fact

How can you formulate a idea with reading?

Feel free to act like spoilt children

As you will.

[RotBaron]

You need a source??? try Google.

 

Exactly.

[decoy]

Our media does sensationalism, not news per se anymore unfortunately. “If it bleeds, it leads.”

California has the most amount of laws intended to stop crimes committed with firearms. California has the most of amount of crimes committed with firearms…

We have gang/drug wars in every city in the US, especially the big ones. On any given weekend in Chicago there are 20-50 people shot, usually kids and young adults - where is the outrage?

Criminals don’t respect laws…

I don't always agree with you, but then I don't always agree with my wife, and I go out of my way to make her happy.  But you're pretty dead on and I would like to make a comment or two.

As for the media, granted there are some 'news programs' that relate events and allow you to draw your own conclusions.  Those are rare. The majority of 'the news' consists of talking points and narratives, with the organization promoting what they feel is 'in the best interests.'  That goes for both liberal and conservative media.

As for laws, I've always said that laws do not prevent crime.  Laws delineate what punishments you will face if you a) break the law, b) get caught, c) are indicted, and either d) plead guilty or e) are found guilty at trial.  This applies to the simplest laws (the speed limit) to the most heinous (murder) to the most complex (identity theft, corporate espionage, etc).

And gang wars are, indeed, almost pandemic in the U.S.  Albany, Georgia, not too far from where I live, was, in the last few years, the 'murder capital' of the United States.  Certainly it's as violent a town as Atlanta.

[nrshida]

And gang wars are, indeed, almost pandemic...

They should read some challenging books and calm down. The latest ones don't even need batteries. 

[Shuffler]

You can tell which folks are against crime and which folks are against objects.

[Eagler]

They are trying to make every shooting a mass shooting now in the media..

The shooting in Philly is an example of this..

Not a mass shooting just the regulars doing their regular street justice with the public in the middle

https://youtu.be/Ubekfg4PC7s

To compare this to the school shooting is sick IMO

Eagler

[decoy]

They are trying to make every shooting a mass shooting now in the media..

The shooting in Philly is an example of this..

Not a mass shooting just the regulars doing their regular street justice with the public in the middle

https://youtu.be/Ubekfg4PC7s

To compare this to the school shooting is sick IMO

Eagler

Now a mass shooting is defined as an incident where three or more people are killed or wounded.  So, if a police officer interrupts two men robbing a liquor store and exchanges fire, killing the two men and getting wounded himself, that is a mass shooting.

Another miss-direction by the media is about 'child deaths from gun violence.'  For their purposes, a child is anyone under the age of 18 and, in some cases, anyone under the age of 21.  Their figure also includes armed young men that were killed by justified lethal force by the police.

[Arlo]

You need a source??? try Google.

You don't have one to offer, either?