Follow the science

[Firetech]

Follow the Science

When you voice your opinion cite the source.

Peer Reviewed Science Journals show their sources. A hypothesis is stated followed by data and an analysis of that data.
A theory is proposed. The experiment must be repeatable by the peers in the field of study when possible.
All sources must be cited. All instruments used to collect data are listed.

Another important issue is whether a statement concerning conflict of interest is stated. Who paid for the research?
Was the data cherry picked or was all data used because a sponsor might consider some data irrelevant when it is indeed relevant.
Did the author own stock or have a financial interest in the collection of his data.

Science is constantly evolving and moving forward. A theory today might change in 4 years.

Peer Reviewed Science Journals are not perfect, but it is much better than reading something a journalist wrote that did not cite his source
other than "from a reliable source'"

This is my two cents on Follow the Science.

 

I wonder what violated feels about this with his “research” that he talks about in every single thread.

[RotBaron]

perhaps since my intellect is so low,  maybe a picture of a beating heart at 6 weeks will help me understand.


semp

At this period, the developing circulatory system allows maternal- embryonic nutritive and gaseous changes at the chorionic villi. It is well documented in the literature that, in healthy fetuses, the heart rate (HR) increases from 110 bpm at the 5th week of gestation to 170 bpm at the 9th week of gestation. From then on, there is a gradual reduction in the HR that reaches a mean value of 150 bpm at the 13th week of gestation. - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3279166/


The heart of an embryo starts to beat from around 5–6 weeks of pregnancy. Also, it may be possible to see the first visible sign of the embryo, known as the fetal pole, at this stage. The heart of a fetus is fully developed by the 10th week.     
5th week: The developing heart is made up of two tubes that have fused in the middle, creating a trunk with four tubes branching off. The heart begins to beat, and it may be possible to detect it using vaginal ultrasound.  - https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/when-does-a-fetus-have-a-heartbeat.

Although the fetal heart begins beating as early as the 5th week after the LMP, your ability to detect it will be limited by your equipment.
An ultrasound machine usually will enable you to see a heartbeat by 5 to 6 weeks gestation if equipped with a vaginal probe. Abdominal ultrasound will usually see the heartbeat by the 7th-8th week of pregnancy. - https://oacapps.med.jhmi.edu/OBGYN-101/Text/Pregnancy/fetal_heart_beat.htm

Fetal heart beat can be detected as early as 34 days (just under 6 weeks) gestation on good quality, high frequency transvaginal ultrasound, as a crown rump length (CRL) of as little as 1-2 mm.

If a fetal heartbeat cannot be identified with a CRL ≥7 mm using transvaginal scanning, then embryonal demise can be diagnosed 3,4. Demise can be confirmed with repeated scanning and serial quantitative beta-HCG. - https://radiopaedia.org/articles/fetal-heart-beat?lang=us

[RotBaron]

at six weeks there's no heart, no heart beat. what you have is cells that will eventually become the heart having electrical activity my own words not a doctor. 

so follow the science is ambiguity.


semp

[RotBaron]

but the original question mentions heart beat. there's no heartbeat since there's no heart at 6 weeks.  follow the science.


semp

[RotBaron]

if it's beating and fully formed, why cant doctor's detect a sound with a stethoscope like with you can me.  in fact what you call heart beat is an ultrasound and the machine itself makes the sound.  not the heart. since the heart is not fully formed yet.  not until close to the 3rd trimester is the heart fully developed.



semp

Your evolving narrative, yet mine has stayed the same…

Every comment/post of yours is addressed and answered in the links I provided which there are 100’s more if those aren’t enough. The one from Johns Hopkins would be enough for most, but I suspect nothing will suffice with you (from me).

[RotBaron]

if it's beating and fully formed, why cant doctor's detect a sound with a stethoscope like with you can me.  in fact what you call heart beat is an ultrasound and the machine itself makes the sound.  not the heart. since the heart is not fully formed yet.  not until close to the 3rd trimester is the heart fully developed.



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[RotBaron]

sorry I misunderstood that the cells that will become the heart starting to develop at 6 weeks. as for a heartbeat there isn't one, since the heart is not fully developed, it doesn't make a noise until later.

but keep your heart beating on this.


semp

Sorry, I missed a couple.

All covered in the links I provided should you choose to read them.

[guncrasher]

5th week: The developing heart is made up of two tubes that have fused in the middle, creating a trunk with four tubes branching off.

that's from your post. does that read like a heart? or the beginning of developing of a heart.  which is formed by end of 1st trimester. even you said that.

at six weeks there's no heartbeat, it's just cells that eventually will become the heart, having the ability to send electrical impulses. but no heartbeat, no heart pictures. ultrasound all it does is detect these impulses.

the weird thing I found is that at 6 weeks it's called an embryo not a fetus.



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[Eagler]

Polling results are science to some

Having worked marketing research - polls can be easily manipulated for desired outcome and usually are

Eagler

[LCADolby]

Polling results are science to some

Having worked marketing research - polls can be easily manipulated for desired outcome and usually are

Eagler

[DmonSlyr]

I wonder what violated feels about this with his “research” that he talks about in every single thread.

Removed for too graphic of image. Just hope some of you "get the picture" of what abortion really looks like.

[TheBug]

That's how I feel about this, you people are deranged and sick.

(Image removed from quote.)

Proving his point...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/washing-aborted-fetuses/

[RotBaron]

At this period, the developing circulatory system allows maternal- embryonic nutritive and gaseous changes at the chorionic villi. It is well documented in the literature that, in healthy fetuses, the heart rate (HR) increases from 110 bpm at the 5th week of gestation to 170 bpm at the 9th week of gestation. From then on, there is a gradual reduction in the HR that reaches a mean value of 150 bpm at the 13th week of gestation. - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3279166/


The heart of an embryo starts to beat from around 5–6 weeks of pregnancy. Also, it may be possible to see the first visible sign of the embryo, known as the fetal pole, at this stage. The heart of a fetus is fully developed by the 10th week.     
5th week: The developing heart is made up of two tubes that have fused in the middle, creating a trunk with four tubes branching off. The heart begins to beat, and it may be possible to detect it using vaginal ultrasound.  - https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/when-does-a-fetus-have-a-heartbeat.

Although the fetal heart begins beating as early as the 5th week after the LMP, your ability to detect it will be limited by your equipment.
An ultrasound machine usually will enable you to see a heartbeat by 5 to 6 weeks gestation if equipped with a vaginal probe. Abdominal ultrasound will usually see the heartbeat by the 7th-8th week of pregnancy. - https://oacapps.med.jhmi.edu/OBGYN-101/Text/Pregnancy/fetal_heart_beat.htm

Fetal heart beat can be detected as early as 34 days (just under 6 weeks) gestation on good quality, high frequency transvaginal ultrasound, as a crown rump length (CRL) of as little as 1-2 mm.

If a fetal heartbeat cannot be identified with a CRL ≥7 mm using transvaginal scanning, then embryonal demise can be diagnosed 3,4. Demise can be confirmed with repeated scanning and serial quantitative beta-HCG. - https://radiopaedia.org/articles/fetal-heart-beat?lang=us

Your brain is damaged.

Period. Full stop.

[DmonSlyr]

Proving his point...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/washing-aborted-fetuses/

Are you proud of murdering babies?

[zack1234]

If the babies are from lower orders in society it’s ok