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Offline Arlo

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75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« on: October 02, 2022, 10:27:05 AM »


On this day: 75 years ago, company test pilot George S. “Wheaties” Welch, made the maiden flight of the North American F-86 Sabre at Muroc Dry Lake, California (October 1, 1947). One of the greatest jet fighter designs of all time, was born.

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Re: 75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2022, 10:42:03 AM »
We actually have an F-86 at the hangar where I work!  :rock



This is one of the last to ever be retired. This is one of the Bolivian Air Force Sabres, retired in 1994! The very last. It still retained the 6 Browning .50 calibers and all the Korean War tech!

I have been lucky enough to have many chances to climb in and explore the cockpit, this is what it looks like inside. It's quite an experience.

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Re: 75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2022, 11:05:57 AM »
Tig, do you know if anyone plans to restore it to airworthy condition?
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Re: 75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2022, 01:02:50 PM »
Tig, do you know if anyone plans to restore it to airworthy condition?

Unfortunately, it will likely never fly again. We recently sold it to the Smithsonian for the handsome sum of $150,000. We've been gathering our parts that they requested go with it, we have a warehouse full of NOS old parts for it, but the Smithsonian only wants a certain few. They are going to restore it to static display only.

A little sad, considering we have multiple engine cores for it and a whole spare wing, plus the aforementioned warehouse of parts, but we just don't have the funding or manpower to restore it. Our hands are full restoring Jackie Cochran's Beech 18, maintaining a T-33, T-37, C-47, two T-28 Trojans, a T-6 Texan, a Grumman Widgeon, and TWO A-26 Invaders, all airworthy in the same hangar. Yeah, I wish we could have another jet fighter to fly.
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Re: 75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2022, 02:19:34 PM »
we could fly these once in Air Warrior

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Re: 75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2022, 02:20:52 PM »
More than once.  ;)

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Re: 75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2022, 06:45:54 PM »
Had the Korea51 scenario in AW. I was a GL in that one. I'd actually found an re-digitized my old films from that---they were all on floppies! Idea was I'd make some vids just never got around to it. All resurrected on my hoopty PC.

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Re: 75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2022, 07:15:54 PM »
Unfortunately, it will likely never fly again. 

Damn shame. After a lifetime in aviation, I would pay to see an F-86 fly. I would not cross the street to see a "former" airplane on display.
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Re: 75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2022, 08:34:48 PM »
Had the Korea51 scenario in AW. I was a GL in that one. I'd actually found an re-digitized my old films from that---they were all on floppies! Idea was I'd make some vids just never got around to it. All resurrected on my hoopty PC.

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I'd like to see `em. I remember how much it infuriated the KW regulars when that arena was switched to FR mode.

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Re: 75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2022, 03:22:42 AM »
A good read on the CL-13 is,



This is the most detailed book ever about the famous F-86 Sabre. Designed by North American Aviation in California, the Sabre is the classic jet fighter of all time, the plane that made history by taking control of the skies over Korea and drubbing the MIG-15. Chosen by the RCAF to fulfill its day-fighter needs, most of the natty little Canadian Sabres would be stationed in Europe with the No.1 Air Division. For over a decade they ruled the skies and brought fame to Canadian pilots, who regularly walked away with top gunnery awards, including the coveted Guynemer Trophy.

The book tells the story of the 1815 Sabres built under licence by Canadair in Montreal. The story starts in the immediate post-war years, when plans were made to complete 100 aircraft. The program soon gained momentum, reaching a production rate of two a day. Both Canadair Sabres and RCAF pilots served with the USAF in Korea. The RCAF's first Sabre squadrons were formed at St. Hubert, Uplands, North Bay and Bagotville, then moved to the U.K. at North Luffenham and finally to the Continent. Their story is enlivened with details from the squadron diaries and the memories of those who were there.

The ferrying of Sabres from Canada to Europe is a story in itself -- the Leapfrog and Bechers Brook operations, as well as the sometimes uproarious goings-on of the Overseas Ferry Unit. Besides the RCAF story, the book describes at length the Canadair Sabre's service with the RAF and Luftwaffe. It also covers the many other operators, including the Italian, Greek and Turkish air forces. The Sabre is seen in combat with the Pakistan Air Force in 1971, and other little-known tidbits are included too, such as Canadian-built Sabres for Israel, in the Congo with the UN, and recently with the Honduras Air Force in Central America. Also covered are such stories as Jacqueline Cochran breaking the women's speed record in a Canadair Sabre and today's Sabre survivors, used as target drones and sport planes in the U.S.

The Canadair Sabre contains the largest number of Sabre photos ever published in one book. As well, there are drawings, a full production list, various specs and statistics, and even drinking songs, poems and cartoons. This book will surely bring waves of nostalgia to anyone who was involved with air force life in the 1950s and will delight anyone with an interest in some of the most exciting years in military aviation.

Noted Air Fan, “The aviation literary event of the year.” Air International: "There seems scant prospect of a better history." Greece’s aviation monthly Ptisi: "A real oasis for F-86 fans and anyone interested in the Golden Years of the 1950s-60s."

372 pages, hardcover.

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Re: 75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2022, 05:02:49 PM »
That one looks to have the 6 50cals,thought we had some with 20mm cannons?

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Re: 75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2022, 05:55:57 PM »
10 F86 Es and Fs ( 4 Es and 6 Fs) were modified replacing the .50s and having the gun bays modified to carry the M39 cannons. They were sent to Korea in December of `52 for a 4 month combat trial. Two were lost to engine compressor stalls after ingesting excessive propellant gases.

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Re: 75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2022, 09:41:06 AM »
10 F86 Es and Fs ( 4 Es and 6 Fs) were modified replacing the .50s and having the gun bays modified to carry the M39 cannons. They were sent to Korea in December of `52 for a 4 month combat trial. Two were lost to engine compressor stalls after ingesting excessive propellant gases.

Ya I knew the 86 had that issue but I was sure the Canadair version,at least some of them,were equipped with 20mm cannons.

Too busy atm to look it up, going out for a few hours.

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Re: 75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2022, 11:50:11 AM »
USN used a navalized version, the FJ-2/3 Fury in the 50s. It used the 4x20mms and had strengthened gear for carrier ops. Always liked the look of this bird.
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Re: 75th Anniversary of the Sabre!
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2022, 12:08:49 PM »
Dad's first squadron.