Aces High 3 - "Beating the War Drums" (2023)

[Animl-AW]

I know some question the length of the film, that’s not out of line.
But, if I can keep the attention to the last second then it’s not a huge issue. If I can’t then its too long.

IMO, dogfight films are ok, some are great shots. But there is a lot more to the game. If we’re not showing that then we’re selling DFs, not the whole game.

A lot of people left before AH 3, I think its good to show we have the graphics to compete. The damage model (strikes, explosions) needs some updating. But the rest looks as good. Less trees seems to be about game play and lighter work on video and connection, I could be wrong. HT can correct me. But I think I read the players wanted it dialed back.

I’m watching numbers drop in what some say are better graphic games, thats a marketing study as to why, IMO they just aren’t as fun. Did they leave the genre or couldn’t find graphics and fun combo? Is the genre dying off? We seem to be drawing back former players over new. But they already know the game.

If some are going to make vids to draw people in we should show more then DF clips. What some are saying is boring is actually exploiting graphics. If DF films actually sell this arena would be packed. Its not, we should change that. Doing the same thing over and over with not getting different results, we know what that is. There are some who love the ground and ship play.

I did the movie this way to not only draw players, but in hopes it inspires our film makers to expand on their vision. I hope someone makes my vid look like crap. That would make me happy. Don’t make me look like crap in words, make me look like crap with your end product. It can only help this great game. IF, a few can learn to work together as a team on a video it could turn out a great product and learn new tricks.

Film makers are our marketing.

IF we can draw more players it might inspire HT to fix a couple bugs and update the damage model. That would help the draw too. Give and take. That will put us on the same level as the games losing players because not as much fun. The core does not need updating.

Time will tell if this style had any success.

[Eagler]

I appreciate all your time and effort on this Animl!

Eagler

[nopoop]

As do I. Thanks !!

[Prayer]

Appreciate the time and effort Animl! <S>

[Animl-AW]

Here is the video from my perspective, I prefer the in cockpit view while i'm dancing with the corsair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRPRhLon1fE

I can replace that 52 second slot with the cockpit view, or a mix.
Can you make me one with icons off in .avi 1920 X 1080?
I tried to mimic it without icons, but you did a better job. That could be an easy change.
If so, The only delivery I know of is YT as a temp thing, or if you have a ftp. But ya I'll do that.

[Animl-AW]

I didn't suggest you just trash it or follow my vision  , regular potentially interested viewers will switch off after half way through the 3rd engine star-up, your average view analytics will be around 30 seconds.

but fine, I'm not wasting anymore my time, it's more valuable elsewhere. You're intensely irritating and frustrating.

Making a 14 minute movie into a 5 minute advertisement is basically trashing it. But you require repeats. I'll think about it and see what it does before I make a move to trash a crap load of work you didn't have to do.

You >>>>MAY<<<< be right, I'll study that on my own.
*70+ views in 18 hours on the new version
*80 views on the 1st version.
*Right now the average is hitting 7 minutes, well past 30 seconds.
*SO you're wrong about the "average" and the "30 seconds" they make it well past that scene.
*7 minutes is into the combat scenes. So what happened there? That's your combat push. That's the major dip. Redundant after 20 yrs and 1000s of like videos?
* BTW 7-8 minutes was my initial time limit, I nailed what the average viewing would be straight out of the box.. The best out of 18 min will get me there, 4 minutes already dropped.
*40+% is watching the whole thing.
*You're the only one complaining. And you're wrong about what you're complaining most about. I'll read my own data over your speculations

What you want removed is what they make it past, what you're pushing is where it caves.

Personally, watching a pyro show at a concert gets really boring after it's fired 10 times, frankly after the first 3 the shock value is gone. If all I see is kill shots I stop viewing, so does the average.I like more depth to keep my interest.

You'd be wise to listen more then talk.

[haggerty]

I can replace that 52 second slot with the cockpit view, or a mix.
Can you make me one with icons off in .avi 1920 X 1080?
I tried to mimic it without icons, but you did a better job. That could be an easy change.
If so, The only delivery I know of is YT as a temp thing, or if you have a ftp. But ya I'll do that.

I wasnt trying to say your video needed a change, just showing DmonSlyr the story behind that scene.  I always had trouble making .avi from the film viewer, but I can give it a shot if I remember after work today.

[Animl-AW]

I wasnt trying to say your video needed a change, just showing DmonSlyr the story behind that scene.  I always had trouble making .avi from the film viewer, but I can give it a shot if I remember after work today.

I didn't play with it long and find some honey spot setting,.. but I didn't get the quality I needed when I saved to AVI from film viewer. It's prolly just me not using the right setting, I had a path of least resistance I could use.

NO NO!,..I think you were right. That was a early made scene,... after watching the whole movie I think that change of cockpit view keeping track of the hog is great break for the next exterior shot/fight which has to stay exterior. Try to never do anything more then twice in a row.

How ever you made it for YT, just with icons off, will be fine. I appreciate input, it's more of a team effort to find what REALLY works, everyone should feel free to speak up,  just keep it reasonable. <S> The goal is a great end product.

[Animl-AW]

INTERESTING STATS
The very highest drop of viewing? wait for it,... wait for it....

The beginning intro pic. <blank stare> They never made it to the first scene. <blank stare>  As soon as the plane startup scene starts is when I retain audience, and that same % finishes watching it, with peaks in between.
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Take note,...... 90% are probably AH players on the forum,... not new viewers. The vid is not posted anywhere by me.

[haggerty]

I didn't play with it long and find some honey spot setting,.. but I didn't get the quality I needed when I saved to AVI from film viewer. It's prolly just me not using the right setting, I had a path of least resistance I could use.

NO NO!,..I think you were right. That was a early made scene,... after watching the whole movie I think that change of cockpit view keeping track of the hog is great break for the next exterior shot/fight which has to stay exterior. Try to never do anything more then twice in a row.

How ever you made it for YT, just with icons off, will be fine. I appreciate input, it's more of a team effort to find what REALLY works, everyone should feel free to speak up,  just keep it reasonable. <S> The goal is a great end product.

Here are three saves I tried, unfortunately the movement of camera is very abrubt and its hard to have smooth tracking of the action.  It looks like there is a setup camera shots button that appears interesting, but couldnt figure out how to master it.
First 2 are external/fixed locations, 3rd is internal.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/eTFqtJp3u35gpWQ69

[Animl-AW]

People who stop watching or just click to next scene during opening pics, if those 12-16
people didn’t do that it would be more like 80-90% watch the whole thing, the next large drop is the old combat scene

Compared to other pages its all above average, except the 38 start up and combat scene. The way above average spike is the spit chase.

I’m not going to pay attention to those who leave on intro pics, that could be one person doing it several times and throw all numbers off with only 80 views

Again already AH players.

[Spikes]

The beginning intro pic. <blank stare> They never made it to the first scene. <blank stare>  As soon as the plane startup scene starts is when I retain audience, and that same % finishes watching it, with peaks in between.

That isn't really shocking. It's 20 seconds of nothing - I feel as though the text and whatnot can be moved to the end. If someone stuck around that long chances are they're willing to check out the website and stuff.

[Animl-AW]

Not moving it, just cut it to 10 seconds, i don’t think its what it appears.  Its more like someone making a statement. That action tanks the true numbers. Or already players just clicking past it. I’m going to make a few small edits. Working so not today. The numbers right are not our true targets. They are current players.

[Animl-AW]

I brought the bloated movie here, before calling it done, because i know these/this communities, bring a redwood tree and it will be whittled down to a tooth pick, but usually the right tooth pick.

I don't mind editing, this is how it happens, more on the floor then in the movie. I'm just not going to instant response jump up with a chain saw and run at it because someone says so. I prefer a 1st hand informed decision and using a scalpel.

The problem with the numbers as a guiding light,...we are polling the sellers, not the buyers. That's not horrible is they know their future audience, which is the eternal science of advertising.

Example, I've mixed 4000 concerts in 33 of 43 years, I' totally fine if I never see another concert again. I don't care if Hendrix comes back to life. I have a TV with volume control. Same with long term players, what they think has become boring is exciting to the not so well seasoned.

Right now, prolly only AH players are viewing it. That's polling the sellers not the buyers, so lets keep that in mind.

Even though it loses (or click through) 12% between intro and P-38 is not horrible, it's a drop. Again,.. with only 90-100 views,.. that could be a very small group of 8-12 people, or the same ones just on repeat.

*Redue the graphic intro from 2 to 1 pic, and slap it down to 3-4 seconds. If someone doesn't have 3-4 seconds for the reason I'm here, they need to put down the crack pipe.
*drop the fly-by audio in intro.
*Cut the engine starts to 1-3, or remove if I get an idea, I have ears.
*Cut down the scenario group takeoff
*Replace the P-51 suicide shot
*Rework the audio for that scene because it just go whacked (not fond of that).
*Replace some flash kills with longer fights, one polls well above the other with our seller It dips bad between 8:50 and 9:50, with sellers.

Anything else?

[DmonSlyr]

I wasnt trying to say your video needed a change, just showing DmonSlyr the story behind that scene.  I always had trouble making .avi from the film viewer, but I can give it a shot if I remember after work today.

I was actually referring to the spit film at 7:24 where it's showing the spit in chase view attacking the Mossie. But after watching it again, I think its alright, perhaps I was being too critical there.The actual shooting of the Massie is cool.