Miss my jabo.

[Professor_Fate]

It’s been awhile, last time I had subscription to AcesHigh was back when HiTech and crew believed the earth was flat.  I never was that good of a pilot but with so many people online then all had to do was hone my skills as an opportunist.  Life was good.

Anyway, I do miss flying under the DAR and Jabo too, any way to bring that back? Ground attack played a bigger role in operations back then but not so much anymore. I seem to remember I in JG2 could I could level a fighter or vehicle hanger with a combined 190-A8 bomb and gun run.  I was thinking, due to their shear size still require a truck load of ordinance only strategic heavy bombers can deliver to level the towns, cities and factories.  But reduce the ordinance requirement to knock out individual hangers at airbases so tactical ground attack fighters could play more of a role too.

[Shane]

Hangars need 2,780lbs of ord... this can be carried by a variety of jabo ftrs (mostly US rides)

That 2,780 lbs would take 2x 1k eggs and 6 rckts (US) - but sometimes a near miss requires a strafing run to finish it off.

The 110Gs are also capable.

For early/mid war planes or later nations with limited jabo capacity, you just need 2-5 players targeting a hangar. Or use a variety of light/med bombers - a single TU can easily take out a hangar.

[Lusche]

  I was thinking, due to their shear size still require a truck load of ordinance only strategic heavy bombers can deliver to level the towns, cities and factories.  But reduce the ordinance requirement to knock out individual hangers at airbases so tactical ground attack fighters could play more of a role too.

A single Jabo can do tremendous damage to factories (IMHO even way too much), or (when selecting something like a P-47) a single hangar. And of course severely pork an airfield. This is already giving medium bombers kinda hard time finding a purpose in non-strategic gameplay.

[Dadtallica]

You can take out a hanger with an 190-A8 with a full load and 2-3 strafing passes. 

The mosquito fighter can as well.

[hazmatt]

A single Jabo can do tremendous damage to factories (IMHO even way too much), or (when selecting something like a P-47) a single hangar. And of course severely pork an airfield. This is already giving medium bombers kinda hard time finding a purpose in non-strategic gameplay.

Seems only real role medium bombers have is sinking CVs

[Professor_Fate]

That’s a problem, why and where is anyone going to find 2-5 players just to knock out 1 hangar, IMHO it’s a fruitless endeavor and likely why we don’t see such missions anymore. It would be easier to find 2-5 players if ordnance requirements on hangars were reduced and hopefully contribute more to overall game play and options.  I’m no expert, but I’m thinking a 500 lb bomb would obliterate a r/l aircraft hangar or vehicle garage including whatever’s inside it, it’s not like they’re 10 foot thick reinforced concrete u-boat pens.  Also, Heavies would still be required to carpet bomb towns to prep them for capture and needed to destroy cities and factories.

Though might have to increase the towns ordnance requirements to prevent buffs from doing everything at once.

Just my 0.2 cents.

[Dadtallica]

That’s a problem, why and where is anyone going to find 2-5 players just to knock out 1 hangar, IMHO it’s a fruitless endeavor and likely why we don’t see such missions anymore. It would be easier to find 2-5 players if ordnance requirements on hangars were reduced and hopefully contribute more to overall game play and options.  I’m no expert, but I’m thinking a 500 lb bomb would obliterate a r/l aircraft hangar or vehicle garage including whatever’s inside it, it’s not like they’re 10 foot thick reinforced concrete u-boat pens.  Also, Heavies would still be required to carpet bomb towns to prep them for capture and needed to destroy cities and factories.

Though might have to increase the towns ordnance requirements to prevent buffs from doing everything at once.

Just my 0.2 cents.

We do a lot of hanger busting on the rook side! It’s usually the first thing I do each night is dump a vh. I’ve been trying to find more ways to do it so as not to be bored.

Lately I’ve decided I’m going to start also focusing on the troop factories and tents on the bases to thwart base takes and resups.

[JimmyD3]

We do a lot of hanger busting on the rook side! It’s usually the first thing I do each night is dump a vh. I’ve been trying to find more ways to do it so as not to be bored.

Lately I’ve decided I’m going to start also focusing on the troop factories and tents on the bases to thwart base takes and resups.

Agreed Dadtallica, imo one of the most ignored, highly important factories for base take defense.

[Dadtallica]

Agreed Dadtallica, imo one of the most ignored, highly important factories for base take defense.

Until recently I didn’t know disabling troops at a base also stops resupplies which is a defense tactic today used way more than I remember in the old days.

I’d they have no fellas for the seats the hangers won’t matter lol.

[1stpar3]

You can take out a hanger with an 190-A8 with a full load and 2-3 strafing passes. 

The mosquito fighter can as well.

YES IT CAN!     One minute I am, "What he doing/where he be at?".....then"Mother Trucker...he got the Ammo! THRICE!!!!" SOB!!!! You even bombed me! LOL   OK   Yes, I deserved that one!  What is good for the Spitfire, has to be good for the Mosquito, you know. ...right?   This is becoming a most anticipated situation, of an evening.      

[Banshee7]

That’s a problem, why and where is anyone going to find 2-5 players just to knock out 1 hangar

You can easily knock out a hangar in one pass with a P-47D-40 and still have ordnance left.  I definitely do not think we need to soften hangars.  Hangars definitely don't need to be softened up.  Realistically, yeah, a 500lbs bomb would destroy a hangar, but we have to think about gameplay.

I do not think the reasons you listed are responsible for lack of missions. 

[Dadtallica]

YES IT CAN!     One minute I am, "What he doing/where he be at?".....then"Mother Trucker...he got the Ammo! THRICE!!!!" SOB!!!! You even bombed me! LOL   OK   Yes, I deserved that one!  What is good for the Spitfire, has to be good for the Mosquito, you know. ...right?   This is becoming a most anticipated situation, of an evening.      

lol when I saw you all pour out of the vh I decided to just drop my ords on all of you. I missed everyone else but you! 

[hazmatt]

Anyway, I do miss flying under the DAR and Jabo too, any way to bring that back? Ground attack played a bigger role in operations back then but not so much anymore. I seem to remember I in JG2 could I could level a fighter or vehicle hanger with a combined 190-A8 bomb and gun run.  I was thinking, due to their shear size still require a truck load of ordinance only strategic heavy bombers can deliver to level the towns, cities and factories.  But reduce the ordinance requirement to knock out individual hangers at airbases so tactical ground attack fighters could play more of a role too.

When I stopped playing the dar was that any plane within 6k of you showed an icon. It didn't matter if it was on the ground or not so I think the flying under the radar thing is a thing of the past. It was dang near impossible to sneak a goon with the new "dar" settings. I started referring to it as AWACS cause you there was no way to hide.

[Dadtallica]

When I stopped playing the dar was that any plane within 6k of you showed an icon. It didn't matter if it was on the ground or not so I think the flying under the radar thing is a thing of the past. It was dang near impossible to sneak a goon with the new "dar" settings. I started referring to it as AWACS cause you there was no way to hide.

Under dar now is 50ft or less. I do it on the water since you can just auto level but it’s not easy over the terrains.

[Shane]

60 feet.  Just sayin'

Under dar now is 50ft or less. I do it on the water since you can just auto level but it’s not easy over the terrains.