Miss my jabo.

[Banshee7]

It’s not about dates of development, a 20 mm or 25 mm round will just as effectively end your day and lay waste to any tinfoil target and its content. Knowing what a 25mm cannon can do I think a 500kg bomb dropped from a Shrike should obliterate a hangar in real life or AHIII.

So, what exactly are you proposing?

[Professor_Fate]

So, what exactly are you proposing?

Reduce the ordnance requirements at airbases to give luftwaffle planes like the 190 F-8 a job.  But still require heavy strategic bombing to prep towns for capture and reduce factory capacities. I realize it would give American iron like the p47 over airbases an edge but that’s ok too since all offensives should be decisively swift, terrifying, overwhelming, and deadly.

Let’s face it the sim is currently about ‘defending thy sheep’ let’s make it about killing the sheep and if the sheep can’t get their act together to repel an advance then fark’em, sucks being a sheep. 😂

Im kinda whisky bent right now so I hope that made sense.

[Dadtallica]

NGL I love upping an A8 to pork a field or cause general mayhem but it’s true power in the AH world should be perked a bit lower? Or is it higher? Either way it’s a silent beast!

[Lazerr]

At some point you need to balance realism and gameplay.  You proposition with current base layouts would result in most fields being shut down 90% of the time, and having to fly 2 sectors just to find a bad guy.

A 190f8 can currently do a hell of a job helping a base take with ground attack capability, it's just not in the form of dropping a hangar with a 500kg egg. 

[JimmyD3]

If anything I would be inclined to increase the hanger damage requirements, and the Ammo bunker requirements. 

[Dadtallica]

If anything I would be inclined to increase the hanger damage requirements, and the Ammo bunker requirements. 

Also hardening the radar tower or putting a few more guns around it would be nice even though I would squeak about it! Haha

[The Fugitive]

Reduce the ordnance requirements at airbases to give luftwaffle planes like the 190 F-8 a job.  But still require heavy strategic bombing to prep towns for capture and reduce factory capacities. I realize it would give American iron like the p47 over airbases an edge but that’s ok too since all offensives should be decisively swift, terrifying, overwhelming, and deadly.

Let’s face it the sim is currently about ‘defending thy sheep’ let’s make it about killing the sheep and if the sheep can’t get their act together to repel an advance then fark’em, sucks being a sheep. 😂

Im kinda whisky bent right now so I hope that made sense.

Like Lazer said its all a balancing act.

The point of the game is to make defending possible as well as attacking possible but evenly. There shouldnt be one side that has an advantage over the other.

So lets say HTC drops the amount of ammo it takes to drop a hanger. Now you can drop a hanger with your FW. I can then drop 3 hangers with a lone P47. If I bring a buddy we can flatten a field and keep it suppressed for a good amount of time giving the "attacking" side an advantage over the defending side..... poor game play. Players stop defending and the game becomes a race to capture the requisite number of bases to win the war and you have lost all air to air fighting was the game is based on.

The game can be played many ways. My squad does field attacks with nothing but Jabos often. We also will come in low and hard in lancs to flatten everything in a single pass. Maybe you should find a squad to work with.

[Dadtallica]

Like Lazer said its all a balancing act.

The point of the game is to make defending possible as well as attacking possible but evenly. There shouldnt be one side that has an advantage over the other.

So lets say HTC drops the amount of ammo it takes to drop a hanger. Now you can drop a hanger with your FW. I can then drop 3 hangers with a lone P47. If I bring a buddy we can flatten a field and keep it suppressed for a good amount of time giving the "attacking" side an advantage over the defending side..... poor game play. Players stop defending and the game becomes a race to capture the requisite number of bases to win the war and you have lost all air to air fighting was the game is based on.

The game can be played many ways. My squad does field attacks with nothing but Jabos often. We also will come in low and hard in lancs to flatten everything in a single pass. Maybe you should find a squad to work with.

A fully loaded FW190A8 with 30mm can drop a hanger in 3-4 passes.

We used to do noe Lanc runs on vh bases back in AH2. Two lancs, a heavy deacker and a goon is all you needed. There were only three hangers back then if iirc.

[hazmatt]

In one run with an F8 I could usually  (if the autos didn't  get a lucky hit on me) I could take down the radar, the ords and all the town and base autos. Seems like a pretty decent jabo to me

[1stpar3]

lol when I saw you all pour out of the vh I decided to just drop my ords on all of you. I missed everyone else but you! 

Yep..KARMA!!!!!!  I called it!

[Shuffler]

So what everyone is saying a 500 kg bomb can’t wipe out a tinfoil hangar and its contents?  Today on channel 200 most smack talk is  about politics.  I remember a day when brave, fearless diehard luftwaffles respectfully and gallantly brought to everyone’s attention the favoritism towards American iron and how badly luftwaffle aircraft were nerfed.

The arguements have changed but the nerf is real. A Shrike 190 with one 500 kg center mount and maybe (if needed) four 250 kg wing mounts ought to be able to take out one raggedy arse tin foil hangar in one swoop.

When you die in real life, you can't participate anymore. The game has to have some adjustments to be able to be playable. If all you want to do is blow up hangars, setup a room and soften the hangers to your liking. In the game, the jabo folks do what it takes to take out hangars.

[Brooke]

So what everyone is saying

Come join us in a scenario.  They are more realistic.  The next one starting Feb. 3 is 8th AF, so no jabo.  But the one after that, probably in October or so, will likely have ground attack.  Fate says that you should. 

[Shuffler]

Come join us in a scenario.  They are more realistic.  The next one starting Feb. 3 is 8th AF, so no jabo.  But the one after that, probably in October or so, will likely have ground attack.  Fate says that you should. 

I see what you did there.... 

[Brooke]

I see what you did there.... 

[In a low voice in your subconscious]  "Shuffler . . . Shuuuuuuuuuuuflerrrrrrrrr . . . The Masters of the Air scenario is calllllllllling you . . . You want to fly an 8th AF fighter . . . You want to go up the long, delirious, burning blue.  To top the wind-swept heights.  Shufflerrrrrrr . . . you want to register . . . you must register . . . you are compelled to register . . ."

[Shuffler]

[In a low voice in your subconscious]  "Shuffler . . . Shuuuuuuuuuuuflerrrrrrrrr . . . The Masters of the Air scenario is calllllllllling you . . . You want to fly an 8th AF fighter . . . You want to go up the long, delirious, burning blue.  To top the wind-swept heights.  Shufflerrrrrrr . . . you want to register . . . you must register . . . you are compelled to register . . ."

I have been invited to take a 38. I will probably grab one this evening.