Simulated Aerial Combat Roundtable

[Dadtallica]

[hazmatt]

Just to pick a nit, the F-14 usually did not use the burner on a carrier takeoff.

The A models on the carriers I was on did. The temp would go up by 20 degrees on the flight deck even with the JBDs up and the wind over the deck.

[AKIron]

It may have been a later thing. The guys I flew with a few years ago claimed to have a couple of real life Tomcat pilots and they said no burner off the carrier or on land.

Of course they weren't always watching. 

[hazmatt]

Could have been the D cats too.

I don't recall seeing burners at the NAS.

Cheney killed the F14 and Grumman.(felt the need to add that for some reason)

[AKIron]

Just found this below. I think the movie Topgun used the A model. Heatblur first introduced the B model, then the A. I think.

"F-14A takeoffs/cat launches were done in AB. It was prohibited in the F-14B/D because the engines were more powerful and could cause uncontrollability if one didn’t light. At the end of a cat stroke or once in the air you can plug the AB just fine. Main concern appears to have been AB use when wheels were still on a surface."

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/m93h1z/ive_heard_people_say_the_f14_doesnt_take_off_with/

[hazmatt]

Would be interesting to see the NATOPS differences in between the two for takeoff procedures.

Looks like they're available online with a quick internet search.

https://publicintelligence.net/u-s-navy-natops-f-14-tomcat-flight-manuals/

[CptTrips]

It may have been a later thing. The guys I flew with a few years ago claimed to have a couple of real life Tomcat pilots and they said no burner off the carrier or on land.

Of course they weren't always watching. 

Deck crews prolly prefered you didn't.

[Tumor]

Just to pick a nit, the F-14 usually did not use the burner on a carrier takeoff.

You have to consider the cool factor when making movies.

I burn off the Deck every time... it's cool, but mostly because Jester whines about it.

[AKIron]

Just glued together a few excerpts from our fun yesterday. I'm narrating from a track.

Someone's gotta be the bait.

[hazmatt]

Can you make a video of you dodging some S500s or S400s?

[AKIron]

SA-11 is the most advanced Russian fixed emplacement in DCS. I'm not familiar with all the mobile launchers.

Actually it's not fixed. I'm just using the template which includes everything needed.

Tell me what to use and I'll give it a shot.

[hazmatt]

I've read that the systems are pretty good and I'm curious how easy/hard it would be to dodge them with an F16 or an F18.

[RichardDarkwood]

Just found this below. I think the movie Topgun used the A model. Heatblur first introduced the B model, then the A. I think.

"F-14A takeoffs/cat launches were done in AB. It was prohibited in the F-14B/D because the engines were more powerful and could cause uncontrollability if one didn’t light. At the end of a cat stroke or once in the air you can plug the AB just fine. Main concern appears to have been AB use when wheels were still on a surface."

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/m93h1z/ive_heard_people_say_the_f14_doesnt_take_off_with/

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4JeoXuP--9/?igsh=enVoajVweGhtY2o0

[AKIron]

Looks like there are mods for more advanced Russian SAMs. I'll give this one a try. If I'm not back in a week or two send search and rescue. 

[Eagler]

Jet studmuffins lol

*bbs auto correction went 180 degrees  lol

Eagler