Are these game freezes the result of someone changing codes in real time?

[1Cane]

Have mini stutters usually near bomb release in dive.

[icepac]

Puma 6 chipset?   

[steely07]

I spent several hours yesterday investigating with sysinternals process monitor (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/procmon#screenshots)

I ran 2 tests, one for 10 mins and one for 30, I then filtered the results to only show the activities of the aceshigh11.exe, the 10 min test gave me around 391,000 results, the 30 min gave around 980,000 which I exported to csv.

I then sorted by the duration of each activity, there were only 2 events that took more than a fraction of a second, for the 10 min test, that activity took 601 seconds (10 mins almost exactly) and for the 30 min test, the same activity took 1838 seconds (30 and a tiny bit mins)

I stress again, the next longest activity was 0.0042045 of a sec, while opening/reading terrset00.res (a 150mb file), every other activity on the 30 min test was less than a 1000'th of a sec.

The activity in question is the aceshigh11.exe attempting to access the path C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc which is a protected folder where your hosts file (and a few others live)

Why it's attempting to do this, I can't tell, I can only guess it might want to set some HT server ip
s in the host file, perhaps leftover old code from the early days of AH?

The exact entry is this :

Time of day 1:31:12.1592613 PM   
Process name aceshigh11.exe   
PID 5464   
Operation NotifyChangeDirectory   
Path C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc   
Result CANCELLED   
Detail Filter: FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_FILE_NAME, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_DIR_NAME, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_ATTRIBUTES, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SIZE, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_LAST_WRITE, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SECURITY   
Process start 1/08/2024 1:30:37 PM   
Duration 601.3205644 (seconds)

And for the 30 mins test, same thing

Time of day 2:34:09.7747351 PM   
Process Name aceshigh11.exe   
PID 2684   
Operation NotifyChangeDirectory   C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc   
Result CANCELLED   
Detail Filter: FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_FILE_NAME, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_DIR_NAME, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_ATTRIBUTES, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SIZE, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_LAST_WRITE, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SECURITY   
Process start 1/08/2024 2:34:08 PM   
Duration 1838.9060439 (30.633 mins)





Around the cancelled entry, aces seems to be doing some queries on network configuration of the machine it's running on, the highlighted entries are the ones that seem to go for 10 mins and then fail/are cancelled.

https://imgur.com/R0vLInO

https://imgur.com/Q1qoibx

Apologies, please download the images to see them better...

I'm not suggesting anything suspicious or unusual is happening, but the huge difference in duration of these processes, and the timing lining up really well makes me wonder.

RE my previous guess about skins, I can write that off, there is a lot of skin checking done, but it all happens in milliseconds

HT, I hope this is helpful, I can provide the spreadsheets and the exported process monitor logs if needed.

Steely

[CptTrips]

I spent several hours yesterday investigating with sysinternals process monitor (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/procmon#screenshots)

Nice work.

The idea of a GPU defragging mem taking as long as some of these pauses just sounded hard to believe.

An internet time-out of a files sys timeout sounds more more believable to me.

Good catch. 

I have no idea why DX11 would effect that, but you gotta follow what data you have until you prove it's a dead end.

[Animl-AW]

I spent several hours yesterday investigating with sysinternals process monitor (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/procmon#screenshots)

I ran 2 tests, one for 10 mins and one for 30, I then filtered the results to only show the activities of the aceshigh11.exe, the 10 min test gave me around 391,000 results, the 30 min gave around 980,000 which I exported to csv.

I then sorted by the duration of each activity, there were only 2 events that took more than a fraction of a second, for the 10 min test, that activity took 601 seconds (10 mins almost exactly) and for the 30 min test, the same activity took 1838 seconds (30 and a tiny bit mins)

I stress again, the next longest activity was 0.0042045 of a sec, while opening/reading terrset00.res (a 150mb file), every other activity on the 30 min test was less than a 1000'th of a sec.

The activity in question is the aceshigh11.exe attempting to access the path C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc which is a protected folder where your hosts file (and a few others live)

Why it's attempting to do this, I can't tell, I can only guess it might want to set some HT server ip
s in the host file, perhaps leftover old code from the early days of AH?

The exact entry is this :

Time of day 1:31:12.1592613 PM   
Process name aceshigh11.exe   
PID 5464   
Operation NotifyChangeDirectory   
Path C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc   
Result CANCELLED   
Detail Filter: FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_FILE_NAME, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_DIR_NAME, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_ATTRIBUTES, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SIZE, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_LAST_WRITE, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SECURITY   
Process start 1/08/2024 1:30:37 PM   
Duration 601.3205644 (seconds)

And for the 30 mins test, same thing

Time of day 2:34:09.7747351 PM   
Process Name aceshigh11.exe   
PID 2684   
Operation NotifyChangeDirectory   C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc   
Result CANCELLED   
Detail Filter: FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_FILE_NAME, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_DIR_NAME, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_ATTRIBUTES, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SIZE, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_LAST_WRITE, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SECURITY   
Process start 1/08/2024 2:34:08 PM   
Duration 1838.9060439 (30.633 mins)





Around the cancelled entry, aces seems to be doing some queries on network configuration of the machine it's running on, the highlighted entries are the ones that seem to go for 10 mins and then fail/are cancelled.

https://imgur.com/R0vLInO

https://imgur.com/Q1qoibx

Apologies, please download the images to see them better...

I'm not suggesting anything suspicious or unusual is happening, but the huge difference in duration of these processes, and the timing lining up really well makes me wonder.

RE my previous guess about skins, I can write that off, there is a lot of skin checking done, but it all happens in milliseconds

HT, I hope this is helpful, I can provide the spreadsheets and the exported process monitor logs if needed.

Steely

My question is which setting I made that bypassed this by setting performance over quality. Had it, made the changes, its gone. Performance seems to bypass a process,…..so far.

Opened RM and event logs a few days ago but then  work ate my time

Go back and read difference i posted between 9 & 11

Finding issue is great stuff, finding fix more better. I’ve yet to see someone with any other card besides nVidia complaining.

[steely07]

I tried all the changes you suggested, got more framerate, but no less freezes unfortunately

[Animl-AW]

I tried all the changes you suggested, got more framerate, but no less freezes unfortunately

My problem was, i just rattled through settings. I’ve done something some haven’t

I did remove both GF Experience and Xbox Game Bar. Not sure if anyone else did.

I’m working until Sat. And blocked 3 days off. Gonna see if I can duplicate freezes again,  reversing settings I made.

Thanks for the time you put into that report.

[steely07]

I also removed gamebar and GF experience, did the TCP tweaks and Nvidia tweaks, but still stuttering, just so we know we're on the same page there , the extra framerate is excellent I must say!

No problem investigating , I have a lot of experience troubleshooting stuff, 20 years a sysadmin/network wonk

I may change permissions on my drivers\etc folder and see what file it's trying to create, it'd be a last resort though, and not any kind of permanant fix, that folder is protected for good reason

[Animl-AW]

I also removed gamebar and GF experience, did the TCP tweaks and Nvidia tweaks, but still stuttering, just so we know we're on the same page there , the extra framerate is excellent I must say!

No problem investigating , I have a lot of experience troubleshooting stuff, 20 years a sysadmin/network wonk

I may change permissions on my drivers\etc folder and see what file it's trying to create, it'd be a last resort though, and not any kind of permanant fix, that folder is protected for good reason

Hmm. Well, to be honest, I’ve been away from programming and troubleshooting quite awhile. During that time a lot has changed, a lot has been forgotten. I’m just now pushing myself back into the saddle and knocking some rust off, and time to do it.

Just remember on high fps, most rates over your refresh rate frames will be dumped. But damn its smooth, like real life smooth.

I did disable cpu parking. Directions on my web page.

Maybe once per night I get a 250ms hiccup, kinda normal in games. Not the same what I had.

Trying to remember what else.

I was eyeing that Ccleaner flushes DNS and DirectX Shader Cache. In fact it cleans a boat load of stuff. I just noticed DX Shader cache which caught my eye. I use this almost daily. Have no clue if it has anything to do with it, center point being DX is brought up a lot.

Hopefully I’ll get time to reverse setting one by one to see if I can duplicate it. Time consuming since I need to fly 20-30 min for each one. I did mess with scaling and saw it again, but can’t nail it, nir anything else as definite yet. I need to see it kill it and duplicate it again before I think i narrowed it down.

Chances are, what we find will probably be a bandaid to something we may not be able to change. A workaround.

That said, you seemed to have maybe gotten us half way there. Good stuff to know. Prior we’re just guessing ainkessly. That may give us target to research.

Maybe HT’s next round something will click to him.

[icepac]

I remember issues with warbirds and having to make sure the hosts file was editable.

[Animl-AW]

I remember issues with warbirds and having to make sure the hosts file was editable.

Any port in the storm at this point

[Animl-AW]

I spent several hours yesterday investigating with sysinternals process monitor (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/procmon#screenshots)

I ran 2 tests, one for 10 mins and one for 30, I then filtered the results to only show the activities of the aceshigh11.exe, the 10 min test gave me around 391,000 results, the 30 min gave around 980,000 which I exported to csv.

I then sorted by the duration of each activity, there were only 2 events that took more than a fraction of a second, for the 10 min test, that activity took 601 seconds (10 mins almost exactly) and for the 30 min test, the same activity took 1838 seconds (30 and a tiny bit mins)

I stress again, the next longest activity was 0.0042045 of a sec, while opening/reading terrset00.res (a 150mb file), every other activity on the 30 min test was less than a 1000'th of a sec.

The activity in question is the aceshigh11.exe attempting to access the path C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc which is a protected folder where your hosts file (and a few others live)

Why it's attempting to do this, I can't tell, I can only guess it might want to set some HT server ip
s in the host file, perhaps leftover old code from the early days of AH?

The exact entry is this :

Time of day 1:31:12.1592613 PM   
Process name aceshigh11.exe   
PID 5464   
Operation NotifyChangeDirectory   
Path C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc   
Result CANCELLED   
Detail Filter: FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_FILE_NAME, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_DIR_NAME, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_ATTRIBUTES, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SIZE, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_LAST_WRITE, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SECURITY   
Process start 1/08/2024 1:30:37 PM   
Duration 601.3205644 (seconds)

And for the 30 mins test, same thing

Time of day 2:34:09.7747351 PM   
Process Name aceshigh11.exe   
PID 2684   
Operation NotifyChangeDirectory   C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc   
Result CANCELLED   
Detail Filter: FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_FILE_NAME, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_DIR_NAME, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_ATTRIBUTES, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SIZE, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_LAST_WRITE, FILE_NOTIFY_CHANGE_SECURITY   
Process start 1/08/2024 2:34:08 PM   
Duration 1838.9060439 (30.633 mins)





Around the cancelled entry, aces seems to be doing some queries on network configuration of the machine it's running on, the highlighted entries are the ones that seem to go for 10 mins and then fail/are cancelled.

https://imgur.com/R0vLInO

https://imgur.com/Q1qoibx

Apologies, please download the images to see them better...

I'm not suggesting anything suspicious or unusual is happening, but the huge difference in duration of these processes, and the timing lining up really well makes me wonder.

RE my previous guess about skins, I can write that off, there is a lot of skin checking done, but it all happens in milliseconds

HT, I hope this is helpful, I can provide the spreadsheets and the exported process monitor logs if needed.

Steely

Just fyi

To post pics from imgur it gives a list of links to use, you want BB link to post here on bulletin  board

Just following the route you’re taking.

[CptTrips]

I also removed gamebar and GF experience, did the TCP tweaks and Nvidia tweaks, but still stuttering, just so we know we're on the same page there , the extra framerate is excellent I must say!

No problem investigating , I have a lot of experience troubleshooting stuff, 20 years a sysadmin/network wonk

I may change permissions on my drivers\etc folder and see what file it's trying to create, it'd be a last resort though, and not any kind of permanant fix, that folder is protected for good reason

If you haven't already, you might also check your event viewer to see if you can find anything correlating with the times of your pauses.  Sometimes you can catch a clue there on stuff.
 $0.02.

[steely07]

For some reason the img tags never work for me, it's weird, but there you go (I used to run several boards, I know the syntax hehe)

I did look in event viewer first, nothing I could correlate unfortunately

[CptTrips]

For some reason the img tags never work for me, it's weird, but there you go (I used to run several boards, I know the syntax hehe)

I did look in event viewer first, nothing I could correlate unfortunately

It was a long shot.  Sometimes you can catch a security fail.

But one more spot crossed off the list.