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This guy is amazing (entertainment industry)
« on: August 23, 2024, 06:07:49 PM »
 A guy I work directly under, our jurisdictional steward, is 81 yrs old today. I'm retiring before he is with 45 yrs under my belt, OR we are retiring together.
This guy diminishes me to the size of a gnat with experience. He's mixed monitors for performers like Janis Joplin, Tom Jones, worked a Jimi Hendrix, the Who. Stones and Doors concerts and the list is long. All the top legends. He's been at this stuff for 60 years... that is mind blowing. One of my best friends ever.

I can't even imagine going until 81. He says if he quits he'll die. Says he's going to die with a comm headset on.

Probably the most incredible human I've ever met, better yet work with. I've been blessed to end my career with him. A true treat.
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2024, 11:09:51 PM »
Good for him!

Kinda doubt I make 81.  Just don't see it.
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Re: This guy is amazing (entertainment industry)
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2024, 09:45:25 AM »
Good for him!

Kinda doubt I make 81.  Just don't see it.

In my wildest dreams, I can’t even imagine working until 81. This is a life sucking and soul sucking industry, to go that far is mind blowing to me. I wanted out 15 yrs ago.

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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2024, 12:26:20 PM »
In my wildest dreams, I can’t even imagine working until 81. This is a life sucking and soul sucking industry, to go that far is mind blowing to me. I wanted out 15 yrs ago.

well at least you're doing something that you love.

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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2024, 03:52:51 PM »
well at least you're doing something that you love.

15 yrs ago that was true, not so much today.
The concert side of things was my game. I was independent, freelance, I controlled everything in my own biz. I could not sleep before a god concert because I couldn't wait to get there, like Christmas morning as a child. I maintain my own agenda, my own clients, and my own reputation. I did good biz.

Today, as part of the massive union that does everything you see and watch and attend,...is life and soul sucking. They control your work agenda, your ridiculous long hours from hell. You rely on everyone else doing what you once did for yourself without error, and the errors are too common for comfort. The money they choke me with has become not worth it.

On my own I was provided 5 star life, limos, no buses, just briefcase mixing where I walked in, did my thing and walked out.

I didn't get into live sound for talking heads, political events, marketing, accounting and medical conferences. I did it because they said "come hang with us, we're going to make a lot of money...". And we did/are, but would I ever give my self up for that big dollar again? Nope. They got me when the concert industry took a lag on talent, I'm not interested in flat line mixes of today, with virtually no dynamics. I thumped that friggin stage, over and over, I made artist hair stand up. But I lost interest and they set the hook. at just the right time.

So,... end story is, without ending it with someone like the guy above, my middle finger isn't big enough. I'm no longer doing what I started out with and loved. NO DRUG can beat that form of adrenaline flow,... it's like heroine.

I came back because AH is the closest thing to that adrenaline flow. The better I/WE can make it, the better the flow. And anyone who steps in that way made a bad choice, they have a history of bad judgement and decisions. They live in a catch-22 world, "make it better and I'll come back, meanwhile I'm doing things that hurt that effort...".

So ya, you're right, I wish you were still right. But I take the point as a positive gesture. <S>


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Re: This guy is amazing (entertainment industry)
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2024, 12:23:46 AM »
Originally Mott the Hoople "All the Young Dudes"


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Re: This guy is amazing (entertainment industry)
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2024, 02:16:46 PM »


Prince is one of the most underrated musicians ever.  That's a hill I'm willing to die on.
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Re: This guy is amazing (entertainment industry)
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2024, 03:09:33 PM »
Well, I’m about to make you sick.
I turned down a Prince tour offered to me by DB Sound (now owned by Claire Bros).

Prince was known to be hard to deal with, I would not risk my reputation failing at not pleasing the unpleaseable. He had profound ego issues. Same with Steven Tylor. Didn’t like what I heard on MTV and radio, didn’t want that association. No thanks.

It wasn’t until many yrs later I discovered his gtr talent. Do I regret it? Not really, I would have taken it just for the resume. I wouldn’t have had my heart into it and I hate crew buses and plastic divas. I’m not a babysitter.

Marshall Tucker Band was one of my favs to work with on a semi-regular basis., like family. Loved doing Alice Cooper shows, he always has grade A hired guns, that was just loud fun. Get on that stage and your feet are going to know it.

Kansas, Cheap Trick, Styx, and REO were semi local, did them often.

Lots of war stories, just no new ones beyond 2010..

Prince? A guy who dresses like a female, naa. Insanely talented tho. He was totally underrated


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Re: This guy is amazing (entertainment industry)
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2024, 02:16:19 PM »
Harvey Gerst?

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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2024, 06:24:49 PM »
Harvey Gerst?

Not sure what you're inquiring. From The Birds?

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Re: This guy is amazing (entertainment industry)
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2024, 02:30:01 AM »
How do people in the music industry not lose all their hearing after a few years?  Not just band, but folks who are working everything.  Do they wear hearing protection, or do their ears somehow withstand what mine can't?

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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2024, 06:50:47 AM »
How do people in the music industry not lose all their hearing after a few years?  Not just band, but folks who are working everything.  Do they wear hearing protection, or do their ears somehow withstand what mine can't?

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Re: This guy is amazing (entertainment industry)
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2024, 09:31:36 AM »
How do people in the music industry not lose all their hearing after a few years?  Not just band, but folks who are working everything.  Do they wear hearing protection, or do their ears somehow withstand what mine can't?

This could be a book.
Everyone’s ear start taking hearing damage the second you’re born.

It depends on many variables, depending on your job.

What kind of bands does one typically work with.
Your proximity to the sound source. How long you’re exposed to it. How many days in a row you’re exposed to it. Your ears need recovery time. 3 days in a row you have issues. Some repair to a point, but always some level of damage.

Individual ears, ears are like finger prints, everyone ears are different, depending on the type of noise they have been exposed to in their life. Some simply don’t hear exactly the same.

A spotlight operator, lighting director, cameraman, and video people are on headset comms. This protects their ears. They take the least damage. Some have a job that they are taking no orders can wear ear plugs, most don’t. Some jobs backstage get very little damage.

A stagehand, who does the physical labor in setup and loud-out. They only are in the building during setup, up to sound check, at which point they are cut, and typically leave the building and return for break down - load-out.

Sound engineers take the worst hit. Besides knowledge, how our ears hear is our career. We cannot wear anything on our ears.

There are two of us.
FOH - the person who mixes the system the audience hears. In a theater concert he’s usually 80 ft from the source. In an arena show its about 150-200 ft. At his position, the average concert is between 110 -114 db (decibels). I’ve been on some concerts, like Jackyl where its 122db.  I was literally worried about the building structure, the kick drum actually made my heat skip beats. This guys ear were so fried that he has no clue how loud he really is without a db meter. He’s on his way out. Once you’re ears are that far gone, you’re career is over.

Then There’s the Monitor Engineer (my job). We take the hardest hit. Again depending on the band and the stage volume they want. i’m hidden on stage with the band, part of the show. I’m the only one who deals directly with the artist. I mix what the band hears on stage. Every member has their own mix in the wedges you see on stage in front of them. Depends where they are on stage, what they can’t hear there, and what instrument they take cues from.  IE, a bass player always need to hear kick drum, snare and hi-hat to keep him in time.

So I have the closest proximity to high volume. I’m in the middle of it. Now days if the band uses In-Ear Monitors things got a lot quieter as we’re not using as many monitors (speakers). I personally don’t like them because I want the stage to thump, sound pressure level (SPL) . Its what I’m well known for. When the stage thumps the artist adrenaline kicks in, the show gets more active, I’ve done my job. Basically I get the band rocking and hand that product to FOH to mix for the audience. So, I’m the only one who dictates how the show will go. Everyone depends on me. Band, promoter, agents, record company, talent buyer. If I blow one single show, my career is over. There are 100 guys hoping I fail so they get the job. Its THE hardest job of a concert. I musta done ok, I lasted 45 yrs. I’m very well kniw and desired.

That said, I take the most damage. My average volume is 115-120db, snd I’m in the center of volume. My ears seem to take it. But, I do have damage for sure. I’ve had tinnitus for decades now. My ears ring almost every day, for decades. But at my volume. I’m going to hear it no matter what. Its off show I have problems. But I am/was in high demand, industry wide.

I usually do country, pop and rock. So volume fluctuates.

Aretha Franklin had not played out for 13 yrs. Part if her deal with going back to doing concerts is she had to have me. Not my kinda music, wasn’t interested. She and her agent called me personally and asked what it take them to get me on tour with her. I doubled my pay, 5 star hotels, NO BUSES, I fly in only, limo from home to airport, from airport to venue. Basically, I was selling a car I didn’t want to sell. She called back and said OK. I said, lets take you on the road, lets go.  So I did her “comeback” tour. She was extremely high profile. Her audiences and backstage was filled with celebrities, music artist. ..etc. we did WH events. I did the Grammys with her. I was part of the band segments if the 2 movies about her were made about.

Believe it or not, her vocal on stage was louder than Megadeath and Rammstein, at 122db. Checking her mic with a scream damn near made my eyes cross. Blistering loud. FOH had to mix around my volume.

One of 100s of stories working with her…
She would come to the venue and collect her pay in cash only. 50% up front to book the show, 50% when she showed up. Long story, she trusted no one with her money. At showtime, before I launched her on stage, on the “ tarmac” she would hand me her purse. In that purse was $250k in cash. Before launching her I would walk out on stage and place the purse under her piano. Walk back, get FOH the cue to announce her, and I’d launch her.  End of show she walk off and stood by my Mixing console, I’d go on stage retrieve the purse and hand it back to her. Thats just bat-sht-crazy that $250k cash sat on stage during the show.

End result, my ears are toast, not enough to hurt my job, but people outside the biz notice. My favorite word is “what?”. So yep, some of us just get pummeled with hearing damage, for sure.

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Re: This guy is amazing (entertainment industry)
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2024, 09:58:00 AM »
Drugs...good ones and plenty of them..

Eagler

In the late 70s-80s this was absolutely true. When you’re doing 16-18 hr days cocaine was your friend and enemy. Weed out you to sleep. You only got 4 hrs of sleep to wake up and do it agsin.

In the 90s with more money invested, if you made a mistake and they found out you were high, you got blackballed, your career with high profile artist was over, period. A lit of coffee became your best friend.

Today, with high profile artist, not anymore. But today with $millions invested its not permitted. You better have a reputation for being straight and alert, and very precise with your work or you just don’t get the job. Get caught, you’re fired. Its just forbidden. A lit that nipped that crap is insurance. If you got hurt, and were high, you are not covered. You can get hurt every five minutes, if its not moving it will be moving, be alert. Everything is heavy, everything can crush you.  We are kniws to pull off miracles with gear setup, if you’re high you get hurt.


Tifay us 100% different than the 80s. I barely remember the 80s. I might remember 10-20 concerts. I was not immune to the culture. Today, I don’t drink. If I do, its one cocktail, 2 shots, I’m done. Seen it all, done it all, have all the T-shirts. I’m way beyond washed up on that nonsense.  I like being alert and straight. My job depends on it too. This Animl us drunk talk is 100% nonsense. 30 yrs ago it would be true. Most of us grew up, and straight as an arriw. Prolly more so than you or others here. :)

Done that, don’t need it, don’t like it :)

At work, don’t be high in front of me, I’ll fire you in half a breath. I’m very strict, period
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