Author Topic: Hurri IIc (Read 4902 times)

Citabria · « **on:** October 17, 2000, 10:10:00 AM »

art department is itching to build this plane.

HT, Pyro throw em a bone

Ripsnort · « **Reply #1 on:** October 17, 2000, 10:14:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Citabria:
art department is itching to build this plane.

HT, Pyro throw em a bone

NOTE: (4) 20mm Hispanos

funked · « **Reply #2 on:** October 17, 2000, 10:15:00 AM »

Sure would be a nice historical fighter-bomber for the upcoming Afrika Korps scenario. Currently we are having to use the Typhoon which is fun but not a plane that was used in that theater.

RAM · « **Reply #3 on:** October 17, 2000, 10:18:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
NOTE: (4) 20mm Hispanos

IIRC they used only AP ammunition in Hurricane's hispanos (HE ammo wasn't available so early in the war).

So please for one time MODEL A REALISTIC AMMO for the Hispanos.

Thanks.

gatt · « **Reply #4 on:** October 17, 2000, 10:18:00 AM »

Does anyone have any info about aerial victories get by 4 cannons armed Hurricanes?
AFAIK (some old books) they were used mainly on A/G duties and very difficult to master during dogfights.

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juzz · « **Reply #5 on:** October 17, 2000, 10:44:00 AM »

Not all of them had Hispanos - I don't know how many, but some had Oerlikon 20mm guns.

You would want a IID with the 2x40mm too, and 8x60lb rockets for the IIC also.

From what I recall, the "Hurribombers" were withdrawn from service because they were getting murdered by enemy fighter cover.

RAM · « **Reply #6 on:** October 17, 2000, 10:52:00 AM »

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Originally posted by juzz:

From what I recall, the "Hurribombers" were withdrawn from service because they were getting murdered by enemy fighter cover.

Here they'd prolly have a K/D ratio near of that of the Chog.

Guess why and with wich set of tactics.

Realistic, huh?

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fd ski · « **Reply #7 on:** October 17, 2000, 11:14:00 AM »

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Originally posted by RAM:
Here they'd prolly have a K/D ratio near of that of the Chog.

Guess why and with wich set of tactics.

Realistic, huh?

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Relax RAM - hurri 2 is even slower then C202. You would have to be a moron to get shut down by one...

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308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

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RAM · « **Reply #8 on:** October 17, 2000, 11:52:00 AM »

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Originally posted by fd ski:
Relax RAM - hurri 2 is even slower then C202. You would have to be a moron to get shut down by one...

C202 has four machineguns, and is worthless to the mighty uberdweeb HO

HurriIIc will be used as follows:

Turn-HO-Turn-HO-Turn-HO. Shoot the fleeing enemy, get 1K kill.

Ok, maybe is a bit exagerated, but for sure that the endless HO will be in the script.

Bring a 8x.303 Hurri II and believe me, I wont say a $h1t

RAM · « **Reply #9 on:** October 17, 2000, 11:56:00 AM »

And I have to add, that if Hurri IIc's guns are going to be like the ones in Chog (I.E. one flash, sure damage, two flashes, sure kill), then I have to say that I'd rather want to have a SpitfireXIV.

It would be a monster and it would be everywhere in the arena. But maybe we'd see some ACM and die fighting REAL fights against that plane instead of dying due the endless HOing that HurriIIc's will bring with them.

Go and figure how much concerned I am with Hispanolazers.

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-duma- · « **Reply #10 on:** October 17, 2000, 12:08:00 PM »

Er, RAM, any HO dweeb would be using a Niki, F4U-1C or Typhoon rather than a Hurri IIC in the MA, methinks. And if you want to HO a Hurri IIC in a scenario, go right ahead. I won't stop you

I've found 90% of the time that people going for the HO can be used to your advantage anyway, since their hurried attempts at a deflection shot if you just fly a few degrees away from a HO will bleed away their energy fast. Mind you, that tactic was based on 1.03 FM

RAM · « **Reply #11 on:** October 17, 2000, 12:16:00 PM »

Niki has worse guns than Hurricane, and hurri should turn better than Typhoons and F4U1-C (note the "should" you know why is there don't you? hehe

) So Hurricane will be used better for HO than Nikis, tiffies or Chogs.

About the HO think, the problem is not that I die in them (although I sometimes do, yah know, if he lands a couple of hits you're done), the problem is the mortally boring that it is to see everyone doing just the same thing...

as I said I'd rather take a SpitXIV than a hurriIIc. With the Spit people will try to fly and do some ACM apart of the HO.

WIth the Hurri, evidently, no.

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Kieren · « **Reply #12 on:** October 17, 2000, 01:03:00 PM »

Well, hell has indeed frozen over. I have just seen the most ludicrous argument- the Hurricane (any mark) will be uber, better even than a Spit XIV.

Exaggeration has reached new heights, to say the least.

With no climb or speed you'd have to let the Hurri HO you. Further, its small ammo loadout will prevent it from spraying with impunity.

Yes it turns well. That's about it.

Gee whiz, if anyone can see a conspiracy in adding a Hurri II, well, there is no rationalization left...

fd ski · « **Reply #13 on:** October 17, 2000, 01:14:00 PM »

Well RAM - if you really think that's the way to fight Hurris - you need to go back to some very basics of energy fighting.
Any selfrespecting LW pilot should have no problems dealing with Hurris with any plane in this planeset.
Also, hurri climbs at something in the range of 2000ft/m - you do the math.

And sure.. i'll take spit 14

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Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

Northolt Wing Headquarters

RAM · « **Reply #14 on:** October 17, 2000, 01:20:00 PM »

Hey, hey hey hey!!! I Didnt say that it was uber or not uber! and I am sure that I would kill four times more a hurriII than a SpitXIV.

But I simply don't like to see all day long HO's, and the only asset of the hurri would be that, to be the HO machine in excellence. It won't have speed, climbrate or acceleration. But it can point its damned lazers everywhere with few problems (As the hurri is a good stallfighter).

Sheesh I hate to fight Zeroes because they HO all day long, go and imagine what would happen if those Zeroes were fitted with 4 Hispanos!

Its not uber (well its guns are, the plane not). I know to fight them. But I hate to see HOs. So, I hate what the HurriIIc can mean for AH. I'd rather die fighting a good fight against a Spitfire XIV than win a fight because the guy in front of me knows to do nothing but HO all day long.

I hope that now I am better understood.

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Author Topic: Hurri IIc (Read 4902 times)

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