What would get AH growing again

[horble]

a very limited free to play set would be nice like what all other more popular games offer, but that will never happen

Agreed. The best time to implement that would've been during the Steam launch but that chance has been blown already.

[Meatwad]

Unless it can be "re-launched" with a f2p feature, but the fear of loss of profits will ensure he will never do it. just will watch numbers slowly decline

[horble]

Unless it can be "re-launched" with a f2p feature, but the fear of loss of profits will ensure he will never do it. just will watch numbers slowly decline

That would be the way to go, give 'em some decent mid-war rides for free (Spit 9, 109G2/6, etc.), none of the late war monsters but something that it is possible to get a kill in and maybe enough new players play that they can get some kills on each other and get hooked before getting wiped out by the old salts. A man can dream anyway.

[guncrasher]

Agreed. The best time to implement that would've been during the Steam launch but that chance has been blown already.

the steam players would only stick around for 15 minutes, doubt a limited set would have made a difference.


semp

[DmonSlyr]

That would be the way to go, give 'em some decent mid-war rides for free (Spit 9, 109G2/6, etc.), none of the late war monsters but something that it is possible to get a kill in and maybe enough new players play that they can get some kills on each other and get hooked before getting wiped out by the old salts. A man can dream anyway.

Early war only. They don't need kills. They just need to be fodder for the rest of us but not be able to ruin the arena for paying people. Trust me, I don't care how good you are, early war planes are extremely tough for any single person to be effective. But midwar planes like a G2 can and it would hurt sub #s.  Flying in EW modes may convince them to pay the $15 potentially at least one month to try the better planes but atleast can play the game longer than 2 weeks to really understand it and hop back in after a few months if they want to retry it. It would be great for #s and really help out the noobs who pay the $15 to shoot fodder in EW planes. I think it would be great for the MA.

Has anyone done a Twitch stream? View of the person flying inset? That's as likely to draw as anything short of revamping the product.


I see there are a few.

I've done twitch but like only 1 or maybe 2 people hop in. Probably already paid folks who've played the game. Unfortunately no one goes to twitch and searches for AH 

[horble]

Early war only. They don't need kills. They just need to be fodder for the rest of us but not be able to ruin the arena for paying people. Trust me, I don't care how good you are, early war planes are extremely tough for any single person to be effective. But midwar planes like a G2 can and it would hurt sub #s.  Flying in EW modes may convince them to pay the $15 potentially at least one month to try the better planes but atleast can play the game longer than 2 weeks to really understand it and hop back in after a few months if they want to retry it. It would be great for #s and really help out the noobs who pay the $15 to shoot fodder in EW planes. I think it would be great for the MA.

I dunno, I would think the guys who are willing to pay $15 bucks to fly the late war uber rides now would probably keep paying to keep flying them. And do you want the fodder to feel like fodder?  It's all academic anyway I suppose.

[The Fugitive]

the steam players would only stick around for 15 minutes, doubt a limited set would have made a difference.


semp

I dont think HTC ever thought that the steam thing would be anything at all. Ill bet they they did it "hoping" it might bring in some people and they where NOT ready for the amount of people who can in. Had they thought it would be what it turned out to be they would have gotten VR completed before they released it on steam, and I think they would have thought it out a bit better and had a bunch of players 24/7 to help out all those new players coming in.

I still think HTC should do a rebrand and a new launch on Steam to take advantage of what they didnt know then.

Early war only. They don't need kills. They just need to be fodder for the rest of us but not be able to ruin the arena for paying people. Trust me, I don't care how good you are, early war planes are extremely tough for any single person to be effective. But midwar planes like a G2 can and it would hurt sub #s.  Flying in EW modes may convince them to pay the $15 potentially at least one month to try the better planes but atleast can play the game longer than 2 weeks to really understand it and hop back in after a few months if they want to retry it. It would be great for #s and really help out the noobs who pay the $15 to shoot fodder in EW planes. I think it would be great for the MA.

I've done twitch but like only 1 or maybe 2 people hop in. Probably already paid folks who've played the game. Unfortunately no one goes to twitch and searches for AH 

I think the "free plane set" could work as it is a "mind thing". Many players would stick it out KNOWING it doesnt cost them anything but time. FREE is a good thing, even if the planes are NOT top of the line and they get their butts handed to them time and time again...... like we did in the old days. I think it would help add players not only to the arenas, but eventually to the subscription base.  How much could it hurt HTC's bottom line giving a number of free midwar planes away in the MA?

As for the "Twitch" thing, I dont like the  video of in game real time action. I have watched Scotty's a number of times and they are always after the fact, and a lot of fun for me to buzz through. From my own experiences most people dont watch a full minute of video. Not sure of Animl's or DLO's stuff though I watch both. If your not into the "fight" or the action the the video shows" I think many leave quick. I cant do a live cast as Im watching Bruins games or a movie as I fly with my squad and some of those guys in my squad shouldnt be broadcast!    I do however plan to do some "Aces High Shorts" on youtube to show what we do have in the game that many may not know about. The graphics we do have and why they are that way, the missions we can and do run, AAR of missions we run none more than 30-45 seconds. I hope to have a couple examples done and posted this week end, blender is a sweety to learn, but we will see.

For live broadcasting, I hope to open my Aces High Radio Facebook page back up with post about things going on in the arena with out giving any info away from a strategic view but just letting players know what going on in general hoping to stir up a bit of buzz to get more players to log in.

[Molsman]

ashame because Steam helps out alot of other games plus when players stream their game that game gives out special cookies lik tanks and other things . This game is NOT dead yet just need alot of New updates and if that Can happen then this game we all love can Be up at the top again. just my opinion.

Example ya can Play Warthunder for Free, but the game also lores ya into buying premium vehicles Golden Eagles an other stuff . Say you get a premium pack you can grind all the way to what you want to get and achive, plus they sell premium passes for like 180 days to where ya get double the research and golden lions points, yes i played there for 7 years but you see what game i came back to because i got bored of grininding and the air fights are once ya die you done and have to wait for another fight to start

[Pluto]

Isn't that what you did? 
 

No, he just threatened to quit while throwing a temper tantrum

[DmonSlyr]

No, he just threatened to quit while throwing a temper tantrum

No, I did quit actually, and so did hundreds of other players. You should be thankful I stuck up for the integrity of the gameplay. I've started paying again now that HTC did the right thing. However a couple months ago, Banshee made a similar comment that I quit because of one player ruining the gameplay for me and others, so I had to get him back when he said he quit over that same player being thrown out of the game, again...but apparently "we" whoever that is, never really left 🤷‍♂️.

I dont think HTC ever thought that the steam thing would be anything at all. Ill bet they they did it "hoping" it might bring in some people and they where NOT ready for the amount of people who can in. Had they thought it would be what it turned out to be they would have gotten VR completed before they released it on steam, and I think they would have thought it out a bit better and had a bunch of players 24/7 to help out all those new players coming in.

I still think HTC should do a rebrand and a new launch on Steam to take advantage of what they didnt know then.
 

I think the "free plane set" could work as it is a "mind thing". Many players would stick it out KNOWING it doesnt cost them anything but time. FREE is a good thing, even if the planes are NOT top of the line and they get their butts handed to them time and time again...... like we did in the old days. I think it would help add players not only to the arenas, but eventually to the subscription base.  How much could it hurt HTC's bottom line giving a number of free midwar planes away in the MA?

Yeah but steam is mostly full of high school and college kids and they don't really understand what this game is compared to WT. So they see the graphics and $15 a month sub for a dated game they don't understand, and that scares them away. We'd get a pop, but it would end just the same as before. It's better to target to military vets, which is why IMO, the commercial on military channel was probably the best effort ever to reach an audience. I'm still convinced that practically hundreds of millions Americans haven't heard of the game. I feel having a youtube commercial on WW2 and military type videos would go the furthest in reaching the proper target. I see gaming commercials all of the time for WOS.


Would have to only be early war planes. If it were midwar planes, I would have no reason to sub and while I'm sure others would do the same, and fights would be better, I think it would impact subs since many could be very fine in those planes and impact battles. I know for certain I'd rek havoc in a spit9 and 109g2, but a 109e or a6m2 or hurr 1? Not so much. I'd still give them a hard time trying to kill me though.  It's much harder though. plus those planes don't have ord to really make an impact either.

[Animl-AW]

Not sure what some have against mid-war planes. The Spitfire and P51D is a game seller. Probably the most popular WWII planes. The average person has no clue about the others.

Mention a P51 or Spit and ears of the ignorant perk up. Ya can’t have a WWII sim without them.

BnZ is what the P51 was made for, its an offense AC not defense, they don’t fare well in a furball. Anyone who knows them would be stupid to hang in a furball more than 3 turns.

OTOH 109s throwing potatoes is a bit uber too, not a BnZ plane,

Its the pilot’s job to learn how to counter planes designed to do the opposite as their fav ride. Psychology has its place.

Post videos on FB aviation or WWII interest pages, along with it,... ya don’t need a monster gaming pc investment to play it. Can fly 10 seconds after the game is clicked to open,…because of the graphics.

[Eagler]

Commercials are the answer...

Free to play but you have to sit through the latest ed commercial after each death..

You also watch a commercial during your climb up so no need to remove the too big maps..

Just have to make sure any IL2 or DCS commercials aren't allowed 

Eagler

[Animl-AW]

Ya need ad type videos in high res and VR. The game looks best at high res. My vids are 1080 60hz res. This needs to be seen in the res most players have these days. VR is killer compared to 1080. It should no longer be seen at 1080, as in an ad.

Edit: until I up my res to 4k my 1080 defeats the purpose, it makes it look older than through 4k/VR.

A sim by the players for the players.

[AKIron]

You need thousands or tens of thousands of players to make ads viable. No one is going to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for an ad seen by a few hundred people.

[Animl-AW]

You need thousands or tens of thousands of players to make ads viable. No one is going to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for an ad seen by a few hundred people.

We can do fairly well for free, if they are crafted right and short.

Right now there is a computer in a flight museum open to public use to fly AH.
On various social media sites there are history and WWII pages, even TV channel pages, to post player made ads.

Make hi-res graphic ads show all aspects within 2 min, tops
Target specific online pages
Stop the unwelcoming drama, its come a long way, but negative post like price, mods and bullying.

Some tend to think if ya can’t do it big don’t do it at all.

On our own we upped numbers by 60-100 to 160-200, which is a big deal in a MA of 112.

No offense, but a former player is already a defeatist. <shrug>